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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:50 PM
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Murdoch in Free Fall - Credibility Gone Billions to Follow
Murdoch in Free Fall - Credibility Gone Billions to Follow



By Michael Collins
Rupert and James Murdoch conjured up a fictional report that serves as the fig leaf used to cover the naughty secret of News Corporation --- they never investigated phone hacking in general and they never tried to clean house.

The House of Commons committee investigating Rupert Murdoch's United Kingdom media properties released new evidence this week. The evidence elaborates on themes generated at the committee hearing of July 19 and adds new information to the toxic brew that threatens to drown the largest media company in the world. (Images: Hubert Burda Media, L, World Economic Forum)

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An imminent risk is the highly profitable BSkyB cable network, the largest broadcaster in the UK. The are over 10 million subscribers and close to 5.9 billion Sterling in revenue ($9.7 billion) for the 12 month period ending June, 2010. Pre-tax profits hit 875 million Sterling ($1.4 billion). News Corporation owns 39% of the network and planned to purchase the remaining 61% of the company, pending regulatory approval. That seemed a lock in January. After the Guardian's July 4 expose of NoW's phone hacking of the by then dead kidnap victim, Milly Dowler, things began to collapse. Just days after the Guardian article by Nick Davies, News Corporation announced it was withdrawing it's bid for the remaining 61% of the company.

Link: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Murdoch-in-Free-Fall--Cre-by-Michael-Collins-110819-835.html
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:56 PM
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1. Cue the orchestra......




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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:58 PM
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3. Yeah Wagner.
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 04:59 PM by lonestarnot
:nopity:
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:56 PM
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2. What the hell? Credibility? When did he ever have that?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 04:59 PM
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4. Won't do us a damned bit of good if Ailes doesn't go down with the ship.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 09:59 PM
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13. i hear you
But look at that short section in the full article -
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A Development to Watch in the United States

The Guardian reported that News Corporation had settled three law suits brought by competitors for a total of $655 million dollars. (guardian.co.uk, July 17) This is of interest since one of the cases, that of Floorgraphics, is being reviewed by the Department of Justice as part a broader investigation of the Murdoch companies requested by Senator John D (Jay) Rockefeller two weeks ago. How guilty do you have to be to offer up $655 million to avoid going to court?

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When has DoJ gone after a fat cat before? This a guaranteed hit for justice since, we can assume, the $655 settlement was made to cover up illegal activity. If they're busted for that, it creates major problems for News Corp/Fox in the USA, problems that could impact their licenses for TV stations and open up other investigations. It's pay back time for them.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:29 AM
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25. I have been watching this scandal unfold for years. He may lose
some of his UK holdings, but Obama will never allow PlaceHolder to do a proper investigation. Might be seen as partisan.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:02 PM
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5. I really hope this spreads to the US
and ends the Fox propaganda machine's influence over this country's media.

It is interesting that this happened so fast and in time to stop the takeover of Sky. Especially since the hacking scandal was not new.

But it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:16 PM
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7. Scandals follow a regular pathology.
This one is right on schedule.
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Kurmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:33 PM
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8. It may have to run it's course in Britain before it jumps the pond to Fox.
I only hope it does and then Fox can become the Simpsons-Family Guy Channel and all their talking heads can go find honest work like cleaning toilets.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:03 PM
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6. How is BSkyB an imminent risk ?
Imminent risk of what ? Nothing changes the fact they 39% and withdrew the bid to take control early July.

Is this an editorial ?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:07 PM
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14. According to British law and the source, it is
At stake now is the 39% ownership share currently held by News Corporation. By UK rules, the owner of major media properties needs to be a “fit and proper person.”

Damian Collins is a Conservative MP and member of the committee that heard evidence from the Murdochs on July 19. Yesterday, Bloomberg News reported Collins saying that a “contempt of Parliament” finding against Murdoch would threaten his role as Chairman of the highly profitable BSkyB UK entertainment network. Collins said such a finding, “would raise the question about whether someone can pass the fit-and- proper person tests required to hold a broadcasting license if they have been found to be in contempt of Parliament.”
http://www.themoneyparty.org/main/?p=2444


There are multiple points in the July 19 testimony where one or both Murdochs have been challenged: the challege of the lawyers on the fantasy report which I detailed; the challenge on the "for Neville" memo, which is highly credible. A finding that there was misrepresentation, deliberate, on either of these points would, according to many, including Conservative MP Collins, make News Corp/the Murdochs disqualified from being judged "fit-and-proper persons" to own a controlling interest in a major media company. That's imminent.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:21 AM
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24. You may wish that.
Its just that personally I don't see that happening here.

It has already been announced that any court cases on the subject of hacking etc are likely to be delayed until spring of 2013 at which time all cases will commence / be heard at the same time. As soon as the first trial starts it is likely that there will be complete news black out on the preceedings until the last case has been heard.

General notes here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8712727/Phone-hacking-media-face-blackout-on-any-hacking-trials-as-detective-is-held.html
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-11 02:51 AM
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31. Rockefeller's insinuation is enough for a start
Got DoJ doing something When they start rustling around there's no telling what they'll find. Personally, I think that the
administration was going to take them on just before Citizens United. Obama had said, pointedly, that Fox was not a news network.
Well, that makes them a political network and in violation of the FEC rules every single election. That's something that they could
prove in a heart beat. But the chief justice reached down and grabbed Citizens, did the dirty work.

There are major factions of the establishment that don't like Fox, too unpredictable. The budget deal and downgrade by S&P were
too much. NO CT here, just common sense. You can't have a guy like Murdoch running around. He doesn't play by any rules, a true
nihilist, anti social personality. He's relentless in encouraging the Tea Party madness. Time for an investigation.

The UK is a real hit. The BSkyB network total of $9.7 billion is reduced to $3.9 billion because of the scandal and public reaction.
That's a big hit If Murdoch is charged by the Commons with contempt, then the $3.9 goes. Oops... The next in line for the chair is
not a Murdoch and will have to evaluate continuing the madness. News Corp can make lots of money just pushing entertainment. The
political crap is very little revenue. So we'll see.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:30 AM
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26. Yes, I wondered that also. There has been talk of limiting foreigners
to 25% total media ownership, but is that future or present. And it has only been talk.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:55 AM
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28. Its only been allowed since 2002 anyway
New Labour swung that for whatever reason. Would probably take ages to go back through both houses again. In this particular instance it would also have some bearing on the Sun and Times newspapers too.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:36 PM
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9. His entire empire should collapse, if there is to be true justice.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:08 PM
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15. + 1 We're due some justice - about time!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 06:58 PM
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10. Doing The Snoopy Dance
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 06:59 PM by Me.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:07 PM
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11. I'm happy that they may lose billions.
But, they really should be in prison.

+1
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:36 PM
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17. A quiet place to contemplate their losses
Prison would do and be well deserved. Society would be much safer with those perps behind bars.

Here's what they've already lost. News Corp had a lock on buying the 61% outstanding of BSkyB. They had to give that up because of the scandal. It's a huge loss in future revenues.

BSkyB Gross Revenues
$9.7 billion

61% of Gross Revenues
$5.9 billion

They will ever see that $5.9 billion, ever. If they'd acquired it, which may have been by now, they would have gone from
a $32 billion to a $38 billion company. That has to hurt. Now they may lose the revenues from the 39% they currently own.

OMG! Horrors Rupert, we hardly knew ye!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 01:36 PM
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30. Try looking at it this way.
Edited on Mon Aug-22-11 01:36 PM by dipsydoodle
Have you got a $32 billion company ? If not then maybe lose your obsession with our issues in the UK, do a bit of work instead and maybe you'll get there one day.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-11 03:21 AM
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33. what a goof ball comment
Edited on Tue Aug-23-11 03:23 AM by autorank
Strange and silly at the same time.

(But thanks for kicking the post)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 07:22 PM
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12. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, autorank.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:25 PM
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16. Uncle Joe
Can you believe Rupert and James thought they could play their internal and outside counsel? I savored the Harbottle and Lewis letter. This part, especially, where the firm outlines the terms of their agreement to provided services:
"Our advice is iprovided to you and maynot, without our prior written consent, be disclosed to anyother party. YOu will not refer to us or to our advice in any public documents or commuications without our written consent."
Response by Harbottle and Lewis LLP to the Culture, Media and Sport Committee and The Home Affairs Committee, (p. 6)
The firm buttresses it's claim that the Murdochs are lying about the fictional report with this evidence that the Murdochs violated the terms of service for the firm. Damn, they should not have messed with these guys!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 11:54 AM
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29. I believe that's a natural result or hubris-tic byproduct emanating from their years or decades
of corrupting the integrity of the "journalists" that work for their corporate media empire, the Murdochs came to believe they could do the same with their legal counsel.

They; spent so much time, money and effort at promoting the illusion of their warped propaganda over reality for tens or hundreds of millions of people, why would distorting the representations of legal counsel be any different to them?

Ultimately their hubris led the Murdochs; to make the mistake of putting their own legal counsel at risk and this came back to bite them in the ass.



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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:38 PM
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18. How about Murdoch and Qaddafi as roomies in a new reality show?
I would watch that.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:39 PM
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19. HUGE K & R !!!
:bounce:

:kick:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:40 PM
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20. Unless Fox News is sold off and Roger Ailes is fired, none of this matters much

Except from a schadenfreude kind of way.


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 10:46 PM
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21. schadenfreude is better than nothing but
Edited on Sun Aug-21-11 10:47 PM by autorank
All of this is preliminary to the attack on them in the US, which has already begun. The veiled accusation made by Sen. Rockefeller
is just devastating. There are many who will believe that true, without regard to what is discovered. It is a terrible accusation - spying
on 9/11 survivor families. Anything illegal discovered about News Corp here has a bearing on their licenses for the Fox stations they
own. Those are very valuable media properties. The charges here came as a result of the UK charges. It's connected in a very real
way. We want the Brits to keep piling on, and they will ... in a vengeful kind of way. God bless http://guardian.co.uk !
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:15 PM
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22. Eat the rich.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 11:17 PM
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23. K & R for the big jerk(s) to go down, way down... n/t
:popcorn:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 04:36 AM
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27. Fall you evil Hutt crime lord!
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-11 02:56 AM
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32. flash: one wing of capital at war with another.
Edited on Tue Aug-23-11 02:56 AM by indurancevile
scorecard, get your scorecard here, can't tell the players without a scorecard!
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