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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:45 AM
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Irene an extremely dangerous storm surge threat to the mid-Atlantic and New England
We've all been watching the computer models, which have been steadily moving their forecast tracks for Irene more to the east--first into Florida, then Georgia, then South Carolina, then North Carolina, then offshore of North Carolina--and it seemed that this storm would do what so many many storms have done in the past, brush the Outer Banks of North Carolina, then head out to sea. Irene will not do that.

Irene will likely hit Eastern North Carolina, but the storm is going northwards after that, and may deliver an extremely destructive blow to the mid-Atlantic and New England states. I am most concerned about the storm surge danger to North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, New York, and the rest of the New England coast.

Irene is capable of inundating portions of the coast under 10 - 15 feet of water, to the highest storm surge depths ever recorded. I strongly recommend that all residents of the mid-Atlantic and New England coast familiarize themselves with their storm surge risk. The best source of that information is the National Hurricane Center's Interactive Storm Surge Risk Map, which allows one to pick a particular Category hurricane and zoom in to see the height above ground level a worst-case storm surge may go.

If you prefer static images, use wunderground's Storm Surge Inundation Maps. If these tools indicate you may be at risk, consult your local or state emergency management office to determine if you are in a hurricane evacuation zone. Mass evacuations of low-lying areas along the entire coast of New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia are at least 50% likely to be ordered by Saturday. The threat to the coasts of New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Maine is less certain, but evacuations may be ordered in those states, as well.

Irene is an extremely dangerous storm for an area that has no experience with hurricanes, and I strongly urge you to evacuate from the coast if an evacuation is ordered by local officials. My area of greatest concern is the coast from Ocean City, Maryland, to Atlantic City, New Jersey. It is possible that this stretch of coast will receive a direct hit from a slow-moving Category 2 hurricane hitting during the highest tide of the month, bringing a 10 - 15 foot storm surge.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1899


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:57 AM
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1. When Jeff Masters starts freaking out, you need to pay attention
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 11:58 AM by starroute
He was warning about Katrina who nobody else was taking it seriously. So when he says (in boldface, even) that "Irene is capable of inundating portions of the coast under 10 - 15 feet of water, to the highest storm surge depths ever recorded," that's a big f-ing deal.



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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:09 PM
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11. LOL
and that's the truth
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:58 AM
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2. Beat me to it
K&R
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 11:59 AM
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3. Looks like my nephew will be staying on the sailboat near Baltimore...
during the storm so he can adjust lines during the surge. I wish him luck.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:02 PM
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5. That doesn't sound real safe. Does he understand what this may be like?
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:07 PM
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9. That is really foolish.
Has he ever been through a hurricane before. It is a lot worse than a mere thunderstorm.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:08 PM
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10. He understands and he is a risk taker who has always been lucky.
That's just it. I tell him that when his luck runs out it's going to be bad. We sail together in the ocean and he has put us in positions most rational people, to my thinking, wouldn't choose. He thinks I'm a weenie sometimes though I tell him I am older and it's just experience. I have an interest in the boat but it isn't worth my life though I have to say this storm freaks me out and I don't freak out easy. Just a gut feeling.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:12 PM
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13. Sounds like you've already warned him, but... really, fuck the boat. This could be a real killer.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:12 PM
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14. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 12:13 PM by kick-ass-bob
No one stays on a docked boat during a hurricane.

He'll be lucky if his head is still attached, honestly.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:21 PM
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17. All I can hope for is that his wife talks him out of it.. n/t
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:24 PM
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18. Send him here for tips to prep the boat:
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:32 PM
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24. Thanks. The big problem is going to be the surge. Our marina is...
notoriously bad in a north wind and has fixed docks so if the water rises beyond a certain point there is nothing you can do other than keep adjusting the lines. The downside is you have to be on the boat to do that.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:26 PM
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19. Remind him of the tornadoes associated with hurricanes. Not just the surge but the
tornadoes.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:30 PM
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22. Just got an email from him and he is staying with the boat.though...
I suspect (hope) he will have enough sense to hang onshore at the marina office and only go out to the boat sporadically to adjust lines.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:57 PM
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32. Email I just got from my nephew said "remember I'm Mr. Lucky". I replied
remember when I said that when your luck runs out it's going to be real ugly.
Fingers crossed.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:35 PM
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50. You might also remind him of the lives of others that will likely be at risk should he panic
when he actually sees the power of the storm and decides he wants help. It is folly to risk possible mortal danger for a "thing" IMHO.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:21 PM
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46. Tell your nephew to check with some locals who went through Isabel.
It looks like the same thing coming - water shoved up the Chesapeake Bay. That changes the whole scenario by a lot. Whatever the watermen tell him, he should do. They are no wimps.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:00 PM
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4. Not only that
but high tide has to be taken into consideration as well. Be prepared North east residents and take this seriously.

Signed, concerned Floridian.

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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:02 PM
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6. It's officially a big one - Jim Cantore has arrived
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 12:14 PM by Baclava
Jim Cantore and Stephanie Abrams head into the path of Irene

Jim Cantore is currently on his way to Cape Cod and Stephanie Abrams will set up shop on the Outer Banks of North Carolina.





http://www.examiner.com/the-weather-channel-in-national/jim-cantore-and-stephanie-abrams-head-into-the-path-of-irene


It's started it's turn to the North - - Wind: 115 MPH — Location: 25.9N 76.8W — Movement: NNW
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Whiskeytide Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:06 PM
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8. We have another saying here on the Gulf Coast...
... "If Jim Cantore shows up in your town, you're screwed". Personally, I think if Stephanie comes you your town, your lucky!! :evilgrin:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:10 PM
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12. Anderson Cooper will be next
Remember the tighter the Tee shirt the worse the disaster. Seth Myers warned folks about seeing him shirtless :rofl:
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 04:17 PM
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57. Considering the shirt the woman is sporting
it's a dangerous storm indeed :rofl:
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:51 PM
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61. You know it.
In the olde timey days Steph would be on in her wet t-shirts hanging on a palm tree.

We'd drink a margarita shot every time she appeared.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 09:05 AM
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69. OMG - thanks for the chuckle.
:rofl: There hasn't been much to giggle about these last few days, so I needed that.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:04 PM
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7. Brace yourselves, East coasters
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:14 PM
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15. I'm in DC and wonder about the combination of quake damage and a hurricane
They discovered more serious cracks in the Washington Monument yesterday. So large you can see daylight through them. And the spires at National Cathedral were toppled.

What happens when you have earthquake damage and before you can repair it, a hurricane comes along?

I guess we're going to find out...
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:09 PM
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43. Dirty water washes mud and debris into all the cracks and holes for a temporary patch job?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 08:53 AM
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68. LOL!
:rofl:
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:23 PM
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48. If you're anywhere near the Potomac, it will flood.
Maybe you already know that, but I'm just saying in case you don't.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:55 PM
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53. A surge will raise the river levels.
They'll close off the bike trail on the Virginia side of the river, probably north and south of memorial Bridge. Old Town will have a run on sand bags. They'll also close the roads east of the Lincoln memorial along the river. And maybe the Washington Harbor complex will raise their high water wall completely this time.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:53 PM
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62. I will tell you that we do know
and it is not pretty.

Buildings that otherwise would have laughed don't.

More cracks, I hope they cordon it off, and realize that wind could carry them heavy missiles, er chunks some distance.

You stay safe.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:16 PM
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16. The best things about these predictions...
It means the storm will peter out, but the economy will see a boost from all the plywood, duct tape and water we bought as they whipped us into a panic.

Not saying we shouldn't be prepared. But we should also be prepared for a big let down. It seems as if the more technology they have, the less able they are to actually predict what is going to happen.

.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:27 PM
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20. You'd rather people keep their heads in the sand and are killed?
Which is worse? Hurricanes are no joke when they're bearing down on you.

I've been through plenty. Sitting in the dark for 12 hours listening to the banging of debris and hearing your roof trying to fly off is no fun.

Get the fuck out if you are in low-lying areas which could be flooded by storm surge - don't wait until it's too late.

It's not about the winds so much unless you are directly in the path of the eyewall.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:29 PM
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21. I don't think this storm is in a position to peter out
Unless there is a lot of sheering to tear up this storm it will keep trucking onward. Please take this seriously. Highly recommended by a Floridian like me.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:06 PM
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27. I'm a Floridian, too. Been through hurricanes there and here.
I figured some DUers would get their panties in a bunch over my comment. Look, I'm not taking it lightly, believe me. I'm on well water, so I have to worry about electricity going out (although I live on a lake, so water isn't far away). My point isn't that anyone should ignore the storm. Really, lighten up...I was making an observation which we've all made before; it seems that when the weatherman says we're in for the Storm of the Century (TM), everyone panics and boards up their houses and then we just get a bad rain storm.

Trust me, I'm not sitting this out without preparations. I've had to evacuate the Florida coast before, and I've experiences some major kick-ass storms up here in New England, too. I was just thinking out loud, remembering all the times we've been told weather armageddon is on the way and then nothing (or very little) happens.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:30 PM
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28. Giving people a false sense of security for those in her path doesn't help either
It's a big dangerous storm - but you already knew that.



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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:52 PM
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41. If anyone gets ANY sense of security from my stupid DU post...
...maybe they need to re-think "security." Again...was it really that difficult to understand that I wasn't seriously advocating doing nothing? I am right smack in the middle of the projected path! I have two homes up here I have to deal with. I'm worrying about getting water, gas, trees falling down, my yurt blowing away.

What is it with you guys? Of course it's a big storm, and it's going to hit me hard. So I can't make a comment about weathermen sometimes being wrong? Jesus.

.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:12 PM
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44. no, you must walk around with a tightly puckered ass and serious face at all times
:rofl:

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:22 PM
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47. Yes, according to the DU "Politeness Police."
Commence tightening sphincter. Check. Wipe silly grin off face. Check. Take everything on DU seriously...uh...fuck that.

.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:48 PM
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60. I'm not picking on you....but most people in New England have no idea what's about to hit them
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 07:15 PM by Baclava
I don't trust computer model tracks either, especially intensity forecasts....but lots of people will be affected by this...panic will ensue.

Guaranteed.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:31 PM
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29. I'm in New Haven but on the western side. However, I remember Gloria
and seeing lots of damage, being without power, phone out (before cell phones).

I remember during that one we taped the windows. They don't seem to be saying that you should do that this time...
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:56 PM
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31. Taping windows is useless
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 02:00 PM by quaker bill
particularly when they are lying in the front yard. I have been through 5 hurricanes in the last 6 years. If it gets ugly, find shelter in the center of the building and wait it out. If officials recommend evacuation, listen and do it.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:39 PM
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40. We have a fairly sturdy basement if things get really rough...
I'm wondering if my gas oven will work...

They are recommending that we turn our freezers to the coldest setting in case the power goes out. If I have my gas burners working I can whip up my defrosted chicken with my standard stuff: olive oil, lemons, garlic, parsley, chicken broth, Dijon mustard. I also have a can of clam in clam juice so I could make linguine. IF my gas stove/burners work.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:44 AM
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64. Usually gas is good, the lines are burried deep.
water mains can be a problem because they are shallower and occasionally are torn up when trees are windthrown. A basement is good if it stays dry without power. Some of these storms deliver a very large amount of rain. We have had between 7 and 22 inches in a single day over the last 5 that came through town. Down here, 7 is manageable as most drainage systems are designed to handle this, maybe even 8 or 10". 22" in a day was a very big problem, nothing is designed to handle that, pretty much anywhere.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:35 AM
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66. good to hear what you said about gas lines.
We love it that our old house (built in 1941, right before the war obviously) and others like it on the block had city gas lines. We "inherited" an old Roper (circa 1950) stove when we bought the house. We had to use matches to light the burners and the oven. It was sad to give it up in 2003 when we redid our kitchen. But we have a good gas replacement (I literally can't cook right on an electric stove).
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:13 PM
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34. In agreement with you.
This Floridian says that storm is coming and not going to fizzle out so fast. It is freaking HUGE.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:17 PM
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36. That thing is looking large and in charge on satellite, isn't it.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:03 PM
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42. It's ginormous...
the outer bands are already beginning to hit FL. I hope that no one loses their lives in this monstrosity of a storm.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:36 PM
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59. It looks like Rainbow Dash nt
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:31 PM
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23. Yeah, I wish.
Tell that to the people who drowned/died in hurricane flooding events.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:46 PM
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26. hope for the best, prepare for the worst
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:54 PM
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63. I hope it is a lot of nothing to be honest
but Katrina should be a lesson though.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 12:42 PM
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25. I don't freak easy but this storm, on this track, is going over three interest...
of mine. First it's going to hit the sailboat, then it will hit a bayfront home on the jersey shore I have a major interest in then directly over my house.
Freaked out.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:44 PM
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30. kick
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:03 PM
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33. My area of Maine is showing as aqua colored under a Cat1, but I'm having
trouble believing it. I've lived through hurricanes up here before and the worst that has happened is the causeway and some of the docks got washed over.

Now if Irene comes to Maine as much a higher category, I will definitely be worried about the storm surge getting closer to my house. :scared:
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Keep a close eye on the news to hear about the latest updates
And be prepared to make needed preparations if need be.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:23 PM
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38. Will do. We always store water and so forth for storms, even the non-hurricane ones. :^)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:20 PM
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37. Right now ME is facing a tropical storm at worst
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 02:25 PM
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39. Things can change, true. But there's a big difference between a hurricane traveling over the
Atlantic headed my way than one going over the Gulf. Our colder waters are pretty helpful that way. :)

At this point high winds worry me more than storm surges.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:18 PM
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45. Looks like a repeat of Isabel - will probably push water up the Chesapeake Bay.
That rarely happens, but it's horrific when it does, and it looks very likely to happen this time. I'm afraid people living on or near the Maryland rivers are going to be wiped out again. Those people aren't well off, for the most part, and it took them years to recover after Isabel.

D.C.'s Potomac area will get it too. The mouth of the river floods from the bay storm surge, and on top of that there is storm water coming down the river from the mountains. It's a double flood.

Anybody in MD or DC anywhere near the water should expect to be flooded. Remember Isabel. If you weren't around here then, ask someone who was.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:29 PM
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49. According to Jeff Masters, Isabel was moving at 32 mph...
Irene is moving at 18 mph. That means Irene has a lot more time to build a bigger storm surge.

Sid
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:48 PM
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51. Wow that's really worrying,. I hadn't heard that, thanks for the info.
It took my friends at the shore 3 years to recover from Isabel. I'm afraid the remaining long time families there are going to be driven out permanently by this one. Developers have already been trying to take over the area to make mini-mansions out of it as it is.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:57 PM
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54. Sorry, it was Bob, not Isabel that Dr. Masters referenced...
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 04:00 PM by SidDithers
Category 2 landfalls may not sound that significant, since Hurricane Bob of 1991 made landfall over Rhode Island as a Category 2, and did only $1.5 billion in damage (1991 dollars), killing 17. But Irene is a far larger and more dangerous storm than Bob. The latest wind analysis from NOAA/HRD puts Irene's storm surge danger at 4.8 on a scale of 0 to 6, equivalent to a borderline Category 3 or 4 hurricane's storm surge. Bob had a much lower surge potential, due to its smaller size, and the fact it was moving at 32 mph when it hit land. Irene will be moving much slower, near 18 mph, which will give it more time to pile up a big storm surge. The slower motion also means Irene's surge will last longer, and be more likely to be around during high tide. Sunday is a new moon, and tides will be at their highest levels of the month during Sunday night's high tide cycle. Tides at The Battery in New York City (Figure 3) will be a full foot higher than they were during the middle of August. Irene will expand in size as it heads north, and we should expect its storm surge to be one full Saffir-Simpson Category higher than the winds would suggest.

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Irene's large size, slow motion, arrival at high tide, and Category 3 strength at landfall in North Carolina will likely drive a storm surge of 8 - 10 feet into the heads of bays in Pamlico Sound, and 3 - 6 feet in Albemarle Sound. As the storm progresses northwards, potential storm surge heights grow due to the shape of the coast and depth of the ocean, though the storm will be weakening. If Irene is a Category 1 storm as it crosses into Virginia, it can send a storm surge of 4 - 8 feet into Chesapeake Bay and Norfolk. I give a 50% chance that the surge from Irene in those locations will exceed the record surges observed in 2003 during Hurricane Isabel. The region I am most concerned about, though, is the stretch of coast running from southern Maryland to Central New Jersey, including Delaware and the cities of Ocean City and Atlantic City. A Category 1 hurricane can bring a storm surge of 5 - 9 feet here. Irene's large size, slow movement, and arrival at the highest tide of the month could easily bring a surge one Category higher than the storm's winds might suggest, resulting in a Category 2 type inundation along the coast, near 10 - 15 feet. This portion of the coast has no hurricane experience, and loss of life could be heavy if evacuation orders are not heeded. I give a 30% chance that the storm surge from Irene will bring water depths in excess of 10 feet to the coasts of Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey.


But I think the message remains. Irene is a big, slow moving storm, that could have a storm surge larger than normally associated with a Cat 1 or low Cat 2.

Sid
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 04:13 PM
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56. You were still right - it says a 50% chance the surge will EXCEED Isabel.
Edited on Thu Aug-25-11 04:15 PM by Waiting For Everyman
"I give a 50% chance that the surge from Irene in those locations will exceed the record surges observed in 2003 during Hurricane Isabel. The region I am most concerned about, though, is the stretch of coast running from southern Maryland to Central New Jersey, including Delaware and the cities of Ocean City and Atlantic City. A Category 1 hurricane can bring a storm surge of 5 - 9 feet here. Irene's large size, slow movement, and arrival at the highest tide of the month could easily bring a surge one Category higher than the storm's winds might suggest, resulting in a Category 2 type inundation along the coast, near 10 - 15 feet."


10-15 foot surge along Ocean City, MD (and Rehoboth, DE). Ocean City is an island, that will put some of it under water, no doubt. Also Assateague and Chincoteague Islands. This will be bad in Maryland.
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Laxman Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:51 PM
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52. This is Different...
than any storm that most people in the northeast have ever experienced. Its been over 100 years since a hurricane has made landfall in NJ and the current forecast track brings the eye of the storm ashore around Atlantic City, then straight up the coast and into New York Harbor. If you know the NJ shore, the coast from Cape May to Manasquan is a series of low-lying barrier islands, much like the Outer Banks. There is a good chance that large portions of these islands will be washed over by the storm surge. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people vacationing there right now who will have to evacuate. Hurricane force winds (currently projected to be sustained at 92 kts when it reaches here) will be occurring over the entire state of Delaware, the entire state of NJ, New York City and Long Island. This isn't about panic, its about common sense.

This from the latest NWS forecast discussion for my area:

THE MODEL TRACK GUIDANCE HAS SHIFTED SLIGHTLY WEST AND IS NOW CENTERED OVER
NJ. THE LATEST NHC TRACK HAS IRENE RIDING RIGHT UP THE NJ COAST.
THE ENTIRE AREA WILL RECEIVE INUNDATING RAINFALL, AND THE THREAT OF TORNADOES WILL
INCREASE. EVERYTHING REMAINS ON THE TABLE WITH THIS HURRICANE,
WHICH INCLUDES WIDESPREAD DAMAGING WINDS, TORRENTIAL RAIN,
COASTAL FLOODING, DANGEROUS RIP CURRENTS/WAVES AND BEACH EROSION.

I live in NW NJ and for the first time in my life the forecast calls for hurricane force winds where I live. There's going to be a lot of trees down, flooding and the electricity is going to be out for large ares for several days. In addition to coastal NJ, lower Manhattan, southern Brooklyn & Queens, and all of the south shore of Long Island will see a significant storm surge. Maybe this is routine for the Outer Banks but this storm is headed for where about 20 million people live which makes it a much bigger deal. Hopefully things will change and the storm will either go out to sea or plow inland more quickly and weaken, but right now that doesn't appear to be the case.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 06:30 PM
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58. This is true...people will freak...count on it
Just stock on up cash, toilet paper and margarita mix and you will survive.

Worked for me during Ivan.

It only took 5 days for the power to come back on.

Ice, gas grill and a non-electric can-opener. Remember this.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:53 AM
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65. Power outages -
down here that can mean weeks as opposed to days. Hopefully your systems up there are better. Not to panic, just be prepared (if you can, get ready made soup to last a couple weeks). Often it is taxing for the crews to get through to the wires they need to fix (trees down that sort of thing). Be safe.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 04:00 PM
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55. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, phantom power.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 08:49 AM
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67. This is gonna be REALLY bad for a LOT of people.
DON'T try to ride this storm out folks. Pack your bags and get away ASAP.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 12:14 PM
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70. Kick
:kick:
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