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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:26 PM
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Why does school start so early now? When I went to school, we didn't start

until early Sept. (This was in prehistoric times.)

Now they started this year Aug. 24. Why is this?




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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:27 PM
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1. We don't start until after Labor Day, as a result of the resort industry.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:42 PM
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16. In Horry County (Myrtle Beach) some people wanted to do that all over SC.

For the same reason, tourism.

Don't know if it happened in Horry County or not, but it didn't in the entire state.



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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:28 PM
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2. when i grew up it was always the first wednesday aftor labor day.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:31 PM
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6. That's what when we always started.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:02 PM
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44. Same here. My district started July 25th this year...
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 06:03 PM by YvonneCa
...in order to synchronize calendars with the local HS district (so families can have vacations together). That old traditional start...after Labor Day...goes back to a time in our history where we were an agrarian society. Kids were needed to work the farm during the summer.

That is no longer the case. As a teacher, I know that if students are out of school for two months, there is a loss of learning that has to be retaught in the fall. Shorter vacations...spread out during the year, prevent that loss.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:29 PM
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3. It was always after Labor day when I was a kid. They started here on Aug 16th
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:31 PM
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4. One possibility: there is an extra week's vacation in late winter to accomodateadte
families taking children on a trip to resorts. Of course, for my kids that meant spending the last week in February stuck in the house looking out at the cold rain/wet snow/mud!
The irony: the families with the money to take a winter vacation also had the nicest houses!
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:31 PM
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5. For our school district its because they have longer holidays during the year
We never had spring break and now they do.

Personally I don't think its necessary. I was working on an ed. degree and was required to perform 80 hrs of observation for 4 semesters. We could never do our hours on a Friday because most Fridays were goof-off days - movies or pajama day or whatever. How many Fridays were wasted? I guess the kids can't be busy all the time, but still....

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:33 PM
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11. One problem with a longer school year packed with random vacation days
and teacher workshop days is the difficulty of arranging day care. I suspect a lot of kids spend those days home alone behind locked doors.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:32 PM
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7. Two of my grand kids started Aug 15th
for high school and junior high, that is in bay area CA, and my other grand kids elementary school near DC started beginning of Aug year round school.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:33 PM
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8. To try and cut into teacher's unpaid vacation days.
A subtle form of a demotion.

AKA union busting.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:33 PM
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9. What I hate is how early the school day starts.
My kid's not a morning person and she inherited that from us. :hangover:
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:50 PM
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23. Don't get me started, this is one of my pet rants
When I was a kid, school started at 9 and ended at 4. And the year started the day after Labor Day and ended in early June. Period.
I was appalled by how early my niece and nephew had to go to school every day. And just so some jocks could have their practice time in the afternoon? Hell, I played football in high school -- practice came AFTER the end of the school day. Classes came first. No questions allowed.
You could make a case that indulging organized sports is a form of bribery, bribing boys not to drop out. Therefore, we teach them that they have a right to expect special treatment. Simultaneously, we teach them that there's no inherent reason to stay in school and apply yourself.
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tawadi Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:33 PM
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10. I've been wondering this too
Seems like it would make sense to start later, when the weather is cooler.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:34 PM
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12. they do have a few more days than a couple decades ago. they get out earlier though
than when school started after labor day. end of may
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:52 PM
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24. There are NOT more kids than the baby-boom days!
The Baby-Boomers had a small baby-boom of our own, but the original Boomers are still demographically the largest age group in the United States.

This is remarkable also because so many of us were American society's "canaries in the coal mines" with drugs, drunk driving and red M&Ms and driving foreign sports cars on Highway 1 while stoned out of your mind on cocaine.

I don't know why they start school so early these days. I liked the 45 on and the 15 off schedule.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:54 PM
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25. more DAYS in the school year than a couple decades ago. i cant remember
how many days they added to the school year. but it is longer than the past
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:15 PM
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42. And sadly some eleven percent of us Boomers have
Already gone on to the Great Rock and Roll Party in the sky.

Though it's ahrd to tell if that is totally accurate, due to immigration. It's possible that without the added numbers of immigrants in the Boomers' age ctegory, the true portrayal of how many of us have met thebig demise would be higher.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:39 PM
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13. Not only that, but sports practice starts early,too
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 02:39 PM by w8liftinglady
My son's footbal team began 2 a days in Texas heat on the 5th of August.
They are also making parents pay in some Texas school districts if their kids need a bus...which means a lot of kids will be walking home with a backpack in over 100-degree weather.

My partner says that they are working towards a year-round school year by extending holidays, breaks etc.He's a teacher...and not too thrilled about teaching rowdy 5th graders math in a hot classroom with no outdoor break.They have AC in Texas,but it works overtime trying to cool facillities.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:40 PM
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14. I remember that too. Started in Sept.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:42 PM
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15. I always thought it was because of Christmas vacation.
Up through my first year in college (if I remember correctly) we started in September, but then broke for Christmas vacation for a couple of weeks, then came back in January for a few weeks before breaking for a couple of weeks between the Fall and Spring semesters. Usually you'd have to start studying for finals and finishing term papers when you got back after Christmas...x(

Then we started in August but finished the semester by Christmas. It made it so much better then because there was more continuity (and you got to enjoy Christmas since you didn't have to return to finish the semester! :D)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:32 PM
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32. We need a sub-thread discussing teachers who view a holiday break
as an excellent time to pile on homework. Five of my kids had a junior high math teacher who sent home the same 20 page packet of extra math problems every Thanksgiving. Since we spent two or three days with relatives, this caused a lot of tension. Unfortunately, we were too attuned to each kid doing his/her own work to save the answers year to year!
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:43 PM
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17. My grandkids started school on August 8.
That is still summer. This is in the area north of Atlanta. I heard that Michigan passed a law that school cannot start until after Labor Day. That makes sense to me. When I was still teaching in Connecticut, the kids started school the Wednesday before Labor Day. The teachers started the preceding week.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:46 PM
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18. Many districts that start early also end early
My kids used to go after Labor Day to early-to-mid June.

Some districts that start mid-August are done mid-May now.

I still prefer after Labor Day.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:46 PM
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19. By Wisconsin law, school can't start until after Sept. 1.
2001 Wisconsin Act 16 requires school boards to start a school term after September 1 unless a
school board submits a request to the Department of Public Instruction stating the reasons it
would like the school term to start earlier. The department may grant a request only if it
determines there are extraordinary reasons for granting it.

The department is required to promulgate rules to implement and administer this provision. The
rules establish a procedure for school boards to use in requesting an earlier start date and gives
examples of extraordinary reasons for granting such requests.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:47 PM
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20. Making sure there's enough school days in the calendar year in case
school's canceled due to snow days?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:48 PM
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21. They put extra days on each end so there could be a spring break
Back in the dark ages, we were off from noon on Xmas Eve until the day after New Year's Day. We also got 2 presidential holidays in February and then no breaks at all until Memorial Day, just before we were sprung for the year. Now they get one holiday in February and a spring break in March or April.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 07:45 PM
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54. At the time, I live in an area with a large Catholic population. We got
Good Friday off, and there were also many military retirees, so we got Nov. 11.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:50 PM
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22. my kids started on Aug 19th. (don't ask why they started on a Friday)
my guess is it is TOOOOOOOO taxing on the little darlings to come out of vacation to a WHOLE week of school right off the bat. They need to be eeeeeeased into it.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:28 PM
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31. It gives parents an entire week-end to hunt up the 1 3/4" 5 ring
binder with plastic cover demanded by that one teacher along with the special ruled green note paper.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 09:05 AM
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47. don't even get me started on that crap!
one teacher told her kids they could not use a multi-tab/segmented notebook for her class. They had to buy a separate, single note book for her class alone.

Now, I don't have anything against teachers. You couldn't pay enough (and they don't get paid enough)to do what they do and deal with the parents (whose kids NEVER do ANYTHING wrong, and who are generally less educated than their kids currently are), the smart-mouth, entitled kids, politicians.....but some of them have serious delusions of grandeur with their edicts. ex: my step-daughter's middle school science teacher had an interesting rule.......if you made it to class on time and were in your seat when the bell rang but then during the 90 minutes of class needed to use the lavatory......you would be marked as TARDY (which would indicate to me she does not know the meaning of the word 'tardy' - but that is another rant), and 2 or 3 (I can't remember now) tardies in a semester got you detention or something along those lines.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 01:52 PM
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48. Junior high: the principal didn't like the bells, so they weren't sounded.
It might have worked if someone had synchronized the classroom clocks. But Teacher A at one end of the building dismissed according to her slow clock, and Teacher B marked kids tardy according to her fast clock!
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 04:26 PM
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50. Mine started on the 18th. Thursday made no more sense than Friday.
Just weird.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 02:57 PM
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26. In most of Virginia,
You start in August because of the "built-in" snow days. If you don't have a certain % of closings due to weather, then you start after Labor Day.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:12 PM
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29. Even though we start the third week of August,
we have many kids who do not return until after Labor Day, due to family "vacations". Then, we have the wonderful chore of getting them "caught up" on two weeks of work! But, of course, administration sees NOTHING wrong with this!
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:39 PM
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35. Your county must have received a waiver. I'm pretty sure my post #34 is accurate.
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:08 PM
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27. We always started in late August
in central Illinois, and this was in the late 70s and early 80s. When my daughter started going to school in the Philly area 25 years later I asked my wife "Why the fuck do you guys start school SO LATE?"

But Jersey starts in late August, so the beaches are relatively empty for us this week. Hahahaha, stoopid Jersey kids!
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Recovered Repug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:11 PM
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28. When I went to school (graduated in '85),
we started in late Aug. and ended before Memorial Day. May it's regional - adding in snow days and such.
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MrDiaz Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:27 PM
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30. when i was in middle school
I used to start school on my brothers birthday, which is august 14th. O and I am 25 now
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:36 PM
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33. They started last week in South Florida
It does seem earlier and earlier every year
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:36 PM
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34. By law, VA public schools can't begin prior to Labor Day. (It's called the King's Dominion Law.)
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:53 PM
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36. They start mid-August, and then dismiss classes early day after day
because it's so damnably hot in those brick buildings.

I don't see where they gain anything starting in the middle of August.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:53 PM
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37. The kids here (southwest florida) went back August 8th! Its crazy.
I was told it has to do with the end of year FCAT tests, but I don't know how true that is.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:54 PM
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38. I say: send the little hellions back while there's still a few nice days left!
:evilgrin:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 03:55 PM
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39. Gotta lotta test-preparin' to doooo!
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 04:10 PM
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40. Probably a result of the "we must abolish summer break!" craze that comes back every spring. (nt)
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:14 PM
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41. I'm in a suburb of Los Angeles County, school hasn't started yet.
It doesn't start till a week or so after Labor Day.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:54 PM
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43. They start here around August 15.
I think it's to compensate for any potential snow days. Also so kids can get out earlier in the spring when we have our best weather.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:04 PM
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45. Why does it seem I got to school earlier
Edited on Mon Aug-29-11 06:04 PM by Broderick
and came home later than they do now? Maybe I walked barefoot uphill both ways, in three feet of snow, I guess.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:08 PM
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46. Public schools don't resume until after Labor Day (Michigan)
I don't know if that's good or bad (perhaps neutral)....?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 04:22 PM
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49. Older students used to help work on their families' farms up until around Labor Day.
That isn't needed anymore. Butthat is just one reason, schools are getting closer to becoming year round with quarterly vacations. Some already are.

But here in Texas, schools are usually out for the summer because it costs so much to run AC so hard.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 04:30 PM
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51. In the 1960s, I had two years of high school in Georgia and it started in mid August
But the school system was terribly underfunded and instruction was poor. And this was in Georgia's largest and supposedly most modern high school. It just wasn't up to the standards of other public school systems I had attended in other parts of the country.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 07:49 PM
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55. Its still a mid August start in GA and the schools are still a mess.
Edited on Tue Aug-30-11 08:01 PM by aikoaiko

We ponied up for a secular private school and they start mid August too.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 05:44 PM
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52. For many districts, it has to do with state testing.
They want to get as much instructional time in before the children need to take state-mandated tests in April or May.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 06:55 PM
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53. We always started the last week of August.
Would start with half a week, then the following week we had Labor Day off, so we had a 4-day week as the second week, and not a full 5-day week until the 3rd week. Eased us back into it. I thought it worked well.
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