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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 05:54 PM
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History will never absolve Bush and Cheney
Cheney's book is crap and that Bush interview last night was atrocious
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:03 PM
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1. I so hope that book ends up in the dollar bin within days. I'm going
to B&N tomorrow to cash in on gift certs. I will do my duty if time and circumstances allow...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:05 PM
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4. LOL
Can't wait to see the rearranged shelves with that revisionist bullshit!
The Dick is a despicable human being. :puke:
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:03 PM
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2. history is largely written by right-wing professors.
So I have supreme confidence that history will rehabilitate them, just as it rehabilitated Hoover, Nixon, and Reagan.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:04 PM
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3. when you are a free war criminal, you spend your time trying to change history, i guess
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:22 PM
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6. He should be locked up in the Hague
no ifs, mo buts
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:05 PM
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5. They are trying to gain more profit
no more. no less. sickening.
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:29 PM
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7. Some are already pretending that it does. They are heroes. Just tune in FAUX.
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:39 PM
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8. Amnesty International provided an action-against-Cheney & Bush
petition (or something) earlier today, and I was glad to see it. Any continued action is good to draw attention to the fact they should be tried for crimes against humanity.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:42 PM
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9. The fact that neither one is in jail shows that they have received more
"absolution" than they deserved. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-11 06:46 PM
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10. Doesn't need to
They were never prosecuted for their crimes. All the history books will show, if anything, will be that some people called waterboarding torture and some people disagreed....In America, torture has been reduced to little more than a matter of opinion.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 02:49 PM
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12. Cheney has admitted to crimes that resulted in
German officials being hanged at Nuremberg. And he has done so loudly and repeatedly. There doesn't even need to be a trial. String 'im up now.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 05:50 PM
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13. Yes, that's true. Bush has as well. The CIA admitted to it too.
Still...they aren't being prosecuted...and as long as they don't get prosecuted, "history" will be a matter of opinion..thanks to people promoting the warped thinking that torture is just a case of "policy differences"...and those that pretend that it is a matter of opinion on whether or not waterboarding is torture....and, not to forget, the lack of prosecutions.


All that combined has reduced war crimes to a matter of opinion (in America, anyway). US Newspapers still call torture "enhanced interrogation techniques" or "harsh" interrogation techniques..yet they call the exact same actions torture, when committed by other countries or individuals who are not American.

"History" (books used in K-12 will say) - "Critics called it torture" or "Some called it torture" or "Viewed by other nations as torture".

Now, some books written will call it torture (rightfully) and some books won't....again, making it seem like it was nothing more than a matter of opinion.


Yes, Cheney is a war criminal. So is Bush. So are many in the CIA, the DoD, the Bush cabinet, the Bush DOJ.....yet without America telling the truth...that YES - the US government did commit war crimes... that YES, the US government did torture people...and without prosecuting those war crimes.... the "history" of those war crimes will be seen as they said/we said.

One side will say it's only the opinion of people who hate Bush...the other side will point to the fact that Bush/Cheney admitted to torturing people. Then one side will say waterboarding isn't torture...the other side will (rightly) claim it is...then we'll hear how the DOJ said torture was now "legal" and done in "good faith"...and on and on...just as it was during the Bush years....the same shit will be repeated over and over again...all because the US lacks the courage to prosecute its own war criminals, because the US lies about its war crimes...because all too many people are despicable enough to just let the issue go.









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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-11 02:33 PM
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11. and obama will be remembered as the one who let them off the hook for crimes against humanity..nt
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