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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:46 AM
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Should Hatteras residents be compensated if the government decides not to repair the NC 12 breaches?
Three related questions:

1) How much should they be compensated?

2) Should they be compensated for the time it takes to repair NC 12?

3) Where should the money come from?
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:01 AM
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1. Why would they be compensated?
Is there a contract with the government
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:05 AM
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2. The government promised access when the Cape Hatteras National Seashore was established
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:24 AM
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3. They-re barrier islands. The beach will repair itself.
It won't be where it was before, but there will be a healthy beach there if you leave it alone.

Repairing beach erosion is one of the greatest examples of billions after billions dollars going toward wealthy people foolish enough to build their houses on barrier islands.

Perhaps they should be compensated but to relocate, not to rebuild.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:28 AM
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4. The question was about HWY 12, not the beach
Most of Hatteras is protected national seashore, not development.

But the people there need a way on and off the island.

Or do they?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:09 AM
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11. They can always use the ferry system to the south.
It's a longer drive for sure and dumps you into a completely different part of the state, but it is available.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:16 PM
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22. What about the utilities and deliveries that are currently routed via 12?
The price of everything you buy on the island would skyrocket if trucks had to go via the southern ferries.

I'm not sure if any restaurants or grocery stores could survive.

And what about picking up a six-pack?

:scared:
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:30 AM
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13. Doesn't look that way to me, in fact I won't return to Hatteras
Haven't been there since 1993 when my husband and I cried the whole length of the ride. Looks like the McMansions and people who don't care about the wildlife, or wildness of the area have moved in.

My vote is for the sea to reclaim or change it. The people can move.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:40 PM
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21. That is might vote also. Give Hatteras back to the sea.
If millions of dollars go into ANOTHER road it will only be destroyed again.

Barrier islands should be just that--BARRIERS-- to take on the fury of hurricanes and other storms. The islands thrive when they are allowed to shift accordingly.

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:53 PM
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24. What do you do with the people who live and work there if you give it back to the sea?
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:51 PM
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25. Most of the large houses on Hatteras are rental properties
If you're really rich, you're not likely to choose Hatteras as a permanent residence. The climate can get rather inhospitable.

However, land is expensive because it's in such short supply. So people attempt to generate as much income as possible from it. The people who rent the "McMansions" aren't necessarily rich, they can be rather affordable if a large group is using them. And plenty of the renters do care about wildlife. That's why they're there.

The amount of protected land on Hatteras hasn't changed since the National Seashore was established in the 1950s.

Are there more people there? Yes, but that's mostly because general improvements in the roads of eastern North Carolina have made it easier to get there.

So, if the people 'can move', who pays for their relocation?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:33 AM
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5. Compensated how?
I definitely think the means to travel should be met. I think if there is hardship, there should be some sort of aid to keep livelihoods afloat during the time. But determining how much and the nature of it is complicated. But it is a National Seashore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jctj9nQPL_k&feature=share">Highway 12 damage video

http://www.wral.com/weather/image_gallery/10057509/">Photo gallery of Highway 12
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:47 AM
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6. If it was simple I'd figure it out myself and not ask the minds of DU
:toast:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:56 AM
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10. I hear you.
:toast:

I do think Highway 12 needs to be repaired rather rapidly with all the breaches. This part of the US is a national treasure. The breaches are deep. Maybe some reengineering may be in order.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:51 AM
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7. No
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:53 AM
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8. Fourth question: Do they vote Republican/Libertarian?
If they do, point them to their bootstraps and wish
them "Good luck!".

Tesha
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:56 AM
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9. Hatteras seceded from the Confederacy in 1862
Do they get legacy points for that?

Of course it's not monolithic.

So do only people who vote the 'correct' way get compensation?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:39 AM
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15. In a just world, yes.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:24 PM
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16. Some people can be educated; some people can't, at least through ordinary means.
If the people of Hattaras are in that second group (that
is, they don't understand the value of good government
and can't seem to be taught that value by conventional
means, then maybe it's time to resort to unconventional
means.

One difficulty we've had as a Party is that we keep
propping up society as Republicans keep sawing away
more props; maybe it's time to let a piece of society
crumble so they can experience, first hand, the effects
of their policy?

Tesha
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:58 PM
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18. Should that apply to everyone, everywhere, even if it means cutting them off?
If not, what are the exceptions and where are they located?
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:23 PM
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23. Ocracoke's county voted for Obama, Hatteras's county for McCain
Do you punish Hyde County for the misdeeds of Dare County?

I'm not sure how the residents of Hatteras voted. Maybe McCain swept Nags Head.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:10 AM
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12. Ah yes.
I happen to live in Cantors district. I've never voted Republican. Ever.

Should I pull myself up by my bootstraps?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 02:36 PM
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19. That's the policy that the majority of voters in your district recommend.
It's a shame we don't actually implement it somewhere,
just as an educational experiment.

(I'm also fully supportive of the Libertarians who are going
to set up their own island and run it just the way they dream.)

Tesha
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:32 PM
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20. So I am supposed to pull myself up.
so, I'm supposed to fight for Dems, march in lockstep with Obama, and then pull myself up by my own bootstraps because my district voted in a Republican.

I get it.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:38 AM
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14. My question exactly.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:52 PM
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17. NC will repair them
this will give the pro-causeway people more fodder.

The property owners and businesses don't expect to be compensated for time it takes to repair. They can take losses. Everyone knows it's risky to own houses /businesses there. They just want the road fixed.

Ideally you would just stick to the small car ferries and let these islands be more natural. It would be a far better place if there had not been so much development, and there should be no more development--ever. But what's there is there unfortunately.


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