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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:52 PM
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So called "moderate" Rethugs are now openly discussing abolishing the vote for the poor.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 03:59 PM by TheBigotBasher
If you do not own your home or if you are unemployed to the Republicans of today you do not deserve to vote.

How long for this idea to be made into official GOP policy?

Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?
Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.
Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals. It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country -- which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.


Encouraging those who burden society to participate in elections isn't about helping the poor. It's about helping the poor to help themselves to others' money. It's about raw so-called social justice. It's about moving America ever farther away from the small-government ideals of the Founding Fathers.
Registering the unproductive to vote is an idea that was heavily promoted by the small-c communists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, as I write in my new book, Subversion Inc.: How Obama's ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/registering_the_poor_to_vote_is_un-american.html

To Republicants the very idea of democracy, something just a few years ago they wanted to bomb Nations into supporting is now "Un-American". American Thinker is one of the more "moderate" of GOP blogs online.

(Notice with Republicants all of them have some idiot book that they want to push. They all read the same anyway; tax cuts, tax cuts, government bad, liberals bad so more tax cuts. Add some Reagnite necrophilia and you have any Rethug book out there).

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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:56 PM
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1. I would ask how this is Constitutional, but
with the SCOTUS we have now, it'll probably pass muster.

Anybody else hear the death knell of (so called) democracy? Disenfranchising poor people simply for being poor. No wonder I'm a commie.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:22 PM
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12. Actually... from the originalist and intent crew....
I could make the case. The franchise was NOT expanded to those without property UNTIL Jackson, and Jacksonian democracy. Before that it was property owners... so if I were to make that case, it is not a hard one to make.

Of course, it goes without saying... I don't agree with it... but this is the same group that also wants to take away a woman's right to vote as well
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:23 PM
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37. But wasn't that taken care of with AMENDMENTS?
And because of the set up of the amendment process IN THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF, these new amendments overrode the original Constitutional restrictions. Ergo, these types of "throwbacks" to the ORIGINAL documents are themselves unconstitutional.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:25 PM
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15. Scalia probably has an opinion already drafted
sitting in his files upholding a property requirement to vote. I wouldn't put it one inch beyond that fascist bastard.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:56 PM
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2. This has been a decade long strategy by the Repubs...
Voter ID cards, attacks on the poor.... hacking---you name it.

Why/ Because they are slowly and surely becoming extinct.

The demographics and their douchebaggery is killing them.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:35 PM
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16. That, is one extinction I would whole heartily welcome! n/t
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:57 PM
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3. This is shameful
didnt we do this schit before? GOP the bridge to the past.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:58 PM
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4. Right, because rich people never vote themselves more benefits...
Despicable, anti-democratic thugs.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:59 PM
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5. Cowardly Greedhead Warmongers
"Redistributionist" is the GOP's idea of a big word for someone who dares suggest the rich to pay their fair share of taxes.

What John Kenneth Galbraith said:

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

What Elbert Hubbard said:

"A conservative is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run."


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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:59 PM
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6. They used to like to say, "If you don't vote, you don't count!"
so now they've changed it to, "If you don't count, you don't vote!"
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:13 PM
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7. The demographics are going to eat them alive. They know it.
So, how to get rid of most voters.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:15 PM
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8. Shameful and ugly. How can they sleep at night? nt
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:15 PM
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9. More people need to call out these self-styled 'freedom-loving constitutionalists'
They sure do love infringing Amercians' rights when it suits them...
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:17 PM
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10. Some of the responses are so freaking insane
such s this one:
"Every person's vote is weighted according to how much they paid in taxes. Everyone gets a default value of one. So of that evil CEO paid $750,000 in taxes, his vote would be the equivalent of 750,000 voters who paid nothing. No skin in the game, no say is how the real world works, but we would give them a small say. (Non-shareholders get NO votes in the dealings of a business). This would be "fair" and serve "justice" as those footing the bill would have the biggest say in what is done with THEIR money."
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:18 PM
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11. Does that mean Senators from states that receive more federal money than give
don't get their Senate vote?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:23 PM
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13. To claim surprise would be a lie
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:23 PM
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14. Just when you think they can possibly sink
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 04:24 PM by hifiguy
any lower....

This is truly mind-numbing. Does this klown go on to muse on the advantages of repealing the 13 and 14th Amendments as well? I know the reichwingers desparately miss the "social customs" of the antebellum South.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:36 PM
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17. The American "Thinker" is as far to the right as you can possibly ever ever get
What's with calling them moderate anything?
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:17 PM
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24. Compared to other Rethug blogs they are very much
on the "moderate" side now.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:54 PM
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27. I so disagree. It's one of the faves in freeperville. Point out one thing that makes it moderate
compared to other rethug blogs. Hell, it's far to the right of redstate.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:09 PM
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31. Freeperville
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:44 PM
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18. Is it revolution yet?
Shit, every time I think these assholes have gotten on my last nerve they find a new one to get on. In a country where the bottom 80% hold approx 7% of the wealth, just how many people do they intend to disenfranchise? :banghead:
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:49 PM
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19. All of us, man
Each and every one of us who is not in the top 2-3%.

And while this may be in some little "fringe" magazine or website, every other crackpot fascist idea that is now part and parcel of the Repiglican mainstream has come from exactly the same sort of source. This will hit "mainstream" Repig "thought" within a year or two. Take that to the bank.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:58 PM
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21. Yep
Sure enough. I've already heard plenty of their minions spouting this crap for a few years now. What's even more jaw dropping is some of the people I've heard spouting it....people that don't have a pot to piss in themselves. It's just too surreal sometimes...
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 04:50 PM
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20. And the hits just keep on coming....
The pile is getting deep. Yet you won't see ANY of this on news shows tonight....
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:03 PM
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22. The poor are not poor anymore but "burdens on society"
What about the disappearing middle class?
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:26 PM
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38. We're all "useless eaters" to them
Eventually anyway. Euthanasia for those who can't work is the obvious next step.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 05:15 PM
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23. Evil Republicans
They need to prove "the poor" are a majority of voters. It is the middle class and some of the rich that voted for politicians that passed liberal programs.

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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:17 PM
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25. Now re-read
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 06:17 PM by TheBigotBasher
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:52 PM
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26. The writer is Matthew Vadum, of course
And he's hardly a moderate Republican. He's about as way out there as it gets.

I've been trying to draw attention to Vadum and the Capital Research Center for a while -- but they're still pretty under-the-radar.

The CRC was founded in the 1980's by a bunch of Reaganites with the goal of "defunding the left." It's always been very close to the Heritage Foundation and the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (whose Collegiate Network funded the right-wing college papers that gave James O'Keefe and his pals their start.)

Vadum has been involved for many years in attacking ACORN and in concocting the kind of unlikely conspiracy theories about the left that Glenn Beck has adopted wholesale. In fact, both men agree that Beck got them originally from Vadum -- as a quick google on their names will demonstrate.

The American Legislative Exchange Council is one part of the Heritage network that's getting increased attention now -- but there are others, such as the State Policy Network and the Capital Research Center and the Collegiate Network that could use to be brought under the spotlight.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 06:55 PM
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28. Exactly. This has nothing to do with "moderate" repubs.
thanks for the additional information.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:43 PM
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36. Some people think that the only extreme conservatives are the social conservatives.
And that the "economic conservatives" (read: corporatist) are somehow more palatable or reasonable.

Far from it. Some of these "economic conservatives" are just about as extreme and outlandish as you can get. This just underscores that fact.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:03 PM
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29. No such thing as a present day moderate Republican, unless you're counting Democrats
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 07:04 PM by TheKentuckian
I've been hearing this line for years. It does continue stun that knuckledraggers want to disenfranchise themselves in an effort to lick the taints of the wealthy.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:07 PM
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30. Let's meet them 1/2 way - to show independents that we're reasonable & have high standards, too
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 07:16 PM by kenny blankenship
We cannot allow this party to be perceived as being "soft" on the poor! Nobody wants their children to be poor. We cannot allow poverty to escape penalty. We cannot omit to show social disapproval for the existence of poverty. So, if the Republicans are for stern measures against the poor, we are for them too. It's just that we prefer somewhat more measured stern measures, to show how reasonable we are. Splitting the difference then, between the Republican position of disenfranchising all those without property or jobs, and our previously tie-dyed hippie liberal position of supporting voting rights for all citizens of legal majority, we can support disenfranchising all of the unemployed. And a happy medium has been found.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:10 PM
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32. So moderate ReTHUGs are racist. Whocoudanode? n/t
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:34 PM
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33. Unbelievable.
Yet they accuse liberals of class warfare all in the same breath.
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:38 PM
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34. what the f
"Encouraging those who burden society to participate in elections isn't about helping the poor. It's about helping the poor to help themselves to others' money."

I fixed that statement!

Encouraging those who are wealthy to donate in elections isn't about helping the country or the candidate. It is about helping the wealthy to help themselves to others' money.

The Best congress money can buy!
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:42 PM
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35. Remember when Republicans used to at least pretend that their policies would benefit the poor?
I guess the paradigm has so shifted that they don't feel they need to pretend anymore.
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