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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:44 PM
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Grandfather arrested for forcing 3 grandsons 8-12 hike Grand Canyon w/o water, rest 108 temps
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 05:46 PM by RamboLiberal
An Indiana man was arrested for forcing his three young grandchildren to take hours-long hikes in the Grand Canyon's scorching heat - and refusing to let them rest or drink water.

The three boys - aged 12, 9 and 8 - were exhausted and malnourished when police rushed them to the hospital, officials said Thursday.

Their grandfather, Christopher Carlson, was charged with six counts of child abuse and cops claim he repeatedly ignored the boys' pleas to stop the hikes in 108-degree temperatures.

The boys told authorities they were "hit, pushed, choked, kicked, pinched, squeezed, and whipped," according to court papers.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/02/2011-09-02_indiana_grandfather_arrested_for_allegedly_abusing_boys_during_grand_canyon_hike.html#ixzz1Wq0bx3N3

Hope this jerk is never allowed near these kids again!
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mwrguy Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:45 PM
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1. He was teaching them to be boot-strappy
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:46 PM
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2. Okay, this is weird, the "grandfather" looks about 22 yrs old
WTF?

He had kids when he was ten?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:52 PM
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3. The article says he is 45
?
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:57 PM
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5. Okay, he's a sadistic nut
but he looks mahvalous!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:57 PM
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4. it's worse: 19 miles in a day, likely 5000+ ft elevation gain
i can't tell but the article in the OP describes a 7.5 mile trail to the river (seems like Kaibab --shortest from South Rim to Colorado River at about 7 miles)...return on less steep Bright Angel Trail is 9 miles.

AZ Central article describes 19 miles in a day. Perhaps down, around and back up --brutal and at the river, temperatures well over 100 with little air movement.

When I worked there we told people NOT to try to walk down and up the same day especially when temperatures were over 100 --they were often in the low 80's at the rim (7000 ft elevation) but brutal at the river (2000 ft elevation roughly).
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:00 PM
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6. It's even worse than the article suggests.
Read this, http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/crime/court-documents-detail-alleged-abuse-by-indy-grandfather and then click on the link to the court document, which is the complaint against this guy. He's an absolute sadist and I hope they throw the book at him. What he put those kids through is horrendous.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:13 PM
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12. Open sores! I wish someone had pushed that guy off the edge.
I don't normally condone violence, but those kids almost died. The hell he put them through will never leave them.
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catchnrelease Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:03 AM
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21. Horrendous is an understatement
I read that court document and this guy should be crucified at the very least. I also noticed in there that it says the 3 boys are African American. No comment.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:01 PM
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7. Grandfather is fortunate not to be facing murder charges in addition to reckless
endangerment of minors. :patriot:
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:02 PM
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8. fucker...kill him n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:04 PM
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9. I'm so happy this @sshole was caught.
Those poor kids. They could have died down there.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:23 PM
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20. Caught on Public Land= Federal Charges.
That makes it 6 FEDERAL counts. He won't fare well in Prison. The GP have a thing for Child Abusers.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:08 PM
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10. I was planning on hiking down to the river, but
when I was watching people (grown fit adults) coming back up crying, I changed my mind. I cannot imagine what these kids went through. And not to have water, when you really need a lot of water when you are hiking the Grand Canyon, is dangerous.

This is one bastard who should not be in society.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:17 PM
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15. 5000 ft elevation gain from the bottom --with the worst of it at the END of the hike
so after you walk 15 miles roundtrip, the steepest part is the next mile.

yikes.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:10 PM
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11. He'll probably become the next Joe Arpaio
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:14 PM
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13. Those kids are lucky to be alive.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:15 PM
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14.  a discussion with the kids parents might be good too
would you leave your kids to the care of grampa whacky???
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:19 PM
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16. Oldest kid is 12; grandfather is 45. He became a grandfather at 33?!?!?
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 06:21 PM by Divernan
Must be a helluva sordid back story on this family. Hope the authorities check out the children's parents. The guy has a criminal record - parents should never have let him near these kids unsupervised.

From the OP link:
Rangers then arrested Carlson, who has a lengthy rap sheet in his hometown of Indianapolis, according to records. He did not offer an explanation for the hikes.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/02/2011-09-02_indiana_grandfather_arrested_for_allegedly_abusing_boys_during_grand_canyon_hike.html#ixzz1Wq9wmOtQ
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 01:54 AM
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22. I read somewhere the other day that he had done this to these kids on more than one vacation.
During the abuse he also "aggressively squeezed their private parts" in addition to the other tortuous abuse they suffered at his hand.

"He said his goal was to prepare them for the cruel world and to strengthen them during recent hikes in tropical locales, including Honduras, Belize and Guatemala, the ranger said."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032766/Grandfather-whipped-kicked-choked-boys-Grand-Canyon-hikes-hell-brought-brink-death.html#ixzz1Ws01vYKv
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:21 PM
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17. It's a miracle those boys survived. Grandpa is sadistic maniac.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:25 PM
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18. This guy is psychotic. He needs to be evaluated for a lot of stuff
right off the bat. The time line is also wrong for his being their grandfather.

In any case, this loon needs to be locked up until the kids are grown up enough to fight back.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:15 AM
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24. Actually, the timeline is a very real possibility.
My cousin, 59, who was a grandparent at 39, just found out she's about to be a GREAT grandparent.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:45 AM
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26. I have a female cousin who was a granny at 32
She had her first kid at 15 and her daughter had a kid at 17. It's just very, very unusual for males, either because they flake out and disappear from their offspring's life or they just mature a little bit later than girls and don't start producing offspring until late teens, at the very least.

I didn't say it was impossible, just unlikely.

And I've never forgiven my cousin for making me feel older than I am. She's now a great-great granny.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 07:31 AM
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28. I hear you.
Nowadays my conversation at family reunions consist mostly of, "Now, tell me who your grandmother/great-grandmother is again?"
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:41 PM
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19. Hopefully he gets jail time for this. He is inhuman.
I hiked to the end of the Plateau in 100+ and was worried I would run out of water, a necessity for survival. But, it is a glorious place to hike when one takes the necessary precautions. It is surreal to hike down the canyon wall and then turn around and look up and try to figure out where yopu just came down and how the hell can I ever get back up there.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 04:57 AM
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23. the boys are lucky that rangers passed by and saw their condition. They could have easily died
at the hands of this maniac.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:17 AM
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25. Why did the parents allow this psychopath to take their children?
And apparently, this isn't the first time he's pulled this shit. There's something WAY more wrong than is contained in this story.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 06:46 AM
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27. Imagine how this POS has bullied his children all their lives
The whole damn family needs therapy to break away from him and his nuttiness.
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