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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:27 PM
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David Frum goes WAY off the deep end
via Truthdig:



David Frum Blames AZ Shooting on Reefer Madness
Posted on Jan 12, 2011


The former Bush speechwriter who coined the term “Axis of Evil” claims a link between Jared Loughner, schizophrenia and pot smoking. Forget guns, “The Tucson shooting should remind us why we regulate marijuana.”

Much of our culture’s historic intolerance of marijuana grew out of racism and the quack science used to justify it. Frum acknowledges in his blog post that “The connection between marijuana and schizophrenia is both controversial and complicated.” But, he writes, “The raw association is strong.” That’s like saying “I can’t prove anything conclusively, but I’ve got a gut feeling.”

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, 42.6 percent of Americans have consumed marijuana by the time they graduate high school. If Frum is correct, we’re going to have a lot more dangerous schizophrenics to deal with. Perhaps we should get on top of the situation by drastically increasing funding for mental health services and amending the Constitution to ban guns.

Whether pot makes you crazy, lazy or fat, you can’t shoot someone without a gun. —PZS

David Frum / Frum Forum:

After horrific shootings, we hear calls for stricter regulation of guns. The Tucson shooting should remind us why we regulate marijuana.

Jared Lee Loughner, the man held as the Tucson shooter, has been described by those who know as a “pot smoking loner.”

He had two encounters with the law, one for possession of drug paraphanalia.

We are also learning that Loughner exhibited signs of severe mental illness, very likely schizophrenia.

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http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/david_frum_blames_az_shooting_on_reefer_madness_20110112/


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:30 PM
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1. A self-serving, opportunistic, RW moron
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:33 PM
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2. Did you find that on Wikipedia? nt
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:33 PM
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3. When hasn't he been off the deep end?
It's a sign of guilt held in common.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:40 PM
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4. Too bad, Frumster. Loughney had stopped using pot in 2008.
In fact, his friends noticed he started getting weirder after he stopped using.

See this post: After Loughner apparently gave up drugs and booze, "his theories got worse," Tierney says.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:43 PM
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5. Once an asshole, always an asshole. n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:46 PM
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6. +1000
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Still Waters Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:52 PM
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7. I'd really like to know how many run-ins G.W. Bush had with the law
and of those, how many were drug and/or alcohol related.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 07:59 PM
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8. too bad he's not acquainted with facts
the head British pharmacologist stated, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, that there is no threat to the general population for mental illness from the use of marijuana.

he said that there may be some risk among an ALREADY at risk population (i.e. people who have family members with a history of schizophrenia) if they use marijuana, and we need to make sure people who may be part of that small group are aware of a possible increased risk.

A huge study looked at ALL studies of schizophrenia, intakes at hospitals in Great Britain, and mapped that alongside the increase in marijuana use and found NO CORRELATION between marijuana and schizophrenia.

The top British pharmacologist knew of this study as well and it was part of the basis for his statement - as well as his experience as the top researcher in the field of pharmaceutical use of marijuana in the UK.

Frum appears to be using this tragedy as a propaganda op - which is pretty sad on his part. I would hope he wouldn't make such remarks while choosing to remain ignorant about the research - so I'm just assuming it's propaganda as usual.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:06 PM
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9. I haven't seen anything that indicates Loughner was a schizophrenic
Dangerously delusional and an extreme narcissist, maybe. But Schizophrenia? They don't exactly walk around undiagnosed for long.
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scorpiogirl Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:21 PM
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10. Oh for fuck's sake!
That's right, the evil weed, that's been around forever, is to blame. How convenient.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:32 PM
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11. He's on the wrong side of humanity.
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:42 PM
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12. He must have meant another herb
Edited on Wed Jan-12-11 08:43 PM by Beausoleil
Osler said he started to see a change in Jared Loughner after a high school sweetheart broke up with him. After that, Osler said Loughner became increasingly angry and started abusing alcohol, drugs and the legal herbal hallucinogen called Salvia.

"He would say he would be using it, and talk about what it would do to him, and I would say 'dude, that's, that's screwed up,'" said Osler.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/tucson/loughner's-high-school-friend-says-he-was-mad-at-the-world

It's a good thing we regulate Salvia! Oh, wait. We don't.

Frum is an idiot.
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Roundtree65 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:47 PM
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13. Marijuana can set off schizophrenia in those genetically predisposed.
Many people use weed and are fine. But, for those poor people who are genetically predisposed (and of course, don't know it), marijuana is a disaster for them.

Today's marijuana is also extremely strong (the THC content) compared to the weed of several decades ago.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:09 PM
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14. people at risk for schizophrenia
Shouldn't do anything that is "diassociative."--praying with fervor, meditating, smoking pot, tracking dreams, etc. I know someone who got in trouble just by going to a prayer group. I know someone who got in trouble using pot. This guy was living in his head, his dream world, doing lucid dreaming, etc. That probably did as much damage as smoking pot. One person's medicine is another person's downfall. Lucid dreaming is helpful for most people, but not those at risk for schizophrenia.
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Roundtree65 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:23 PM
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16. Thank you
That's interesting (& scary) to know!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:10 PM
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15. Neocon lackey. eom
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:33 PM
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17. Frum is a charter member of the Joey Nichols club: "What an asshole!"
Quote from Annie Hall...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 08:24 AM
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18. Frum is a full time propagandist.
That is all.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 09:18 AM
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19. That's why Northern California is such a hotbed of shootings
Followed by British Columbia and Hawaii! Seems like every week that demon weed drives another hippie crazy and bloodshed reigns! Humboldt State University is like a battle ground!

Frum's stupidity and tool-ness knows no bounds.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 09:24 AM
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20. If anyone would benefit from a good bong hit, it's Frum
Way too uptight.
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