Sorry but we're sick of hearing about 9/11

Dear Living Americans:

We're sick of the "America's changed forever" meme.

We're sick of tourists visiting the WTC site like it's some holy fucking grail.

We're sick of terror threats, terror warnings, terror plots and the whole terror society.

We're sick of Truthers milking the event for every dollar and trying to uphold every idiot Big Bang theory that pops into someone's head.

We're sick of Deniers who accept everything the USG wrote and said about the event like it was the Gospel of the Honorable and Righteous.

We're sick of the MSM vomit spewed by every robo-journalist covering every minute angle of The Great Day.

We're sick of being propaganda for the Receding Empire, which has used our deaths to cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Unless you knew one or more of us well and want to remember us quietly, personally and respectfully, please leave us alone. Get a life. Let us rest in peace.

Sincerely,

The 2,819 Deceased

Unless you are related to one of the dead, you have no right to speak for them.

to stop.

I have no problem with honoring the dead. A national ten minutes of silence, and a broadcast recounting the lives of those who died is fine for me.

But to endlessly beat the drums that "There is a terrorist under every American's bed, which we didn't know about until Nine Eleven, and now we know and we need to be eternally vigilant," that is beyond the pale.

Ninety percent of all terrorist movements have come about because of CIA activities - the people they use as our "allies" one decade become our "enemies" a decade or two later.


And to pretend that this fiasco, in which our nation's NORAD defense was not scrambled in intelligent manner (no planes left from Andrews AFB, etc) and which so many sane people have deemed to be LIHOP or MIHOP, is the most important event ever, without also asking hard questions about it, for instance:

One) Why did the CIA have the information related to the Nine Eleven and yet sit on it?

Two) Why does our 3,000 plus dead justify and allow us to kill hundreds of thousands of people in other lands, and in the process some 6,400 of our service people, and also in the process enrich the defense contracting industry by some Two to Nine Trillion dollars, plus allow for the existence of all the phoney baloney Homeland Security programs (take off your shoes at the airports, allow yourself to be scanned with X Rays)

Ninety percent of the content of these Nine Eleven programs is about trying to keep us instilled with perpetual fear. Yet most Americans polled on the question understand that our dying Middle Class, and the fact that there are few jobs are the most scarey factors in Modern American Life. That is what is terrifying most of us, while the MIC people are counting their trillions of dollars in profits.

Actually, no day is a good day to presume to speak for the 9/11 murder victims.

...I haven't seen much about 9/11 on tv. Just some passing references.

:shrug:

...that based on what he knew about Peter, that
post is right on!

What's your relationship to the dead?

Tesha

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On that fateful morning I was in the South Tower above the 90th floor. I escaped without injury, but 13 of my colleagues lost their lives. I have been living with the memories of that day, just as I have been living with memories of the Holocaust. But enough is enough!

When will we stop this nonstop memorializing? Ten years have passed and the reconstruction on the World Trade Center site has barely begun. Ten years after World War II Europe was largely rebuilt.

I know families who lost loved ones, and all they ask for is that they stop being reminded constantly about what happened. A quiet and tasteful memorial for first responders and victims should be enough. It is time to close the door on the event and let the survivors live our normal lives.

W. BODKIN
New York, Sept. 7, 2011

Competition is stiff, mind, there are many contenders, but this is a stand-out effort!

Congratulations....

responders were denied an invitation but the criminal element like the bush cabal are making their egregious appearances. No thanks. Great OP, couldn't agree more.

My heart goes out to the grieving families and abandoned first responders. But I don't like dwelling on this tragedy or using it for political and financial profit, tv ratings, or as an excuse to hate people, use military force, and curb civil liberties. I will not be watching any of the tv specials about 9/11.

911, as LIHOPed, has brought fascism just that much closer. This 10th anniversary is being used, to once again, cause fear, Fear, FEAR: to take us just that much further from democracy.

A better remembrance of 911 would be to roll-back the unconstitutional extension of executive powers which were zipped through congress in the aftermath of the operation.

Would That The Light of Liberty
Again Shine in America

Turn it off

Mostly I like to remember things but...

Anyhow the on off is your friend.

My T has been off for a week now. Its movies for me, I cant tolerate another hour of 911 memorial porn and dont even get me started on the new "terror" warning.

has been misused in my opinion.. However, I would not sign this like you knew everyone who died... Make it your opinion... I feel this post will be locked soon.

going on. There are big profits to be made in fear, mourning and transfer of power, for example, the MIC is making handsome profits ... and the rest. And MSM loves it ...

Well, this won't be around long.

those involved with 9/11, just that I see many people projected their own meanings, fears and concerns on the event.

Politicization of 9/11 is what is wrong. At, some point though, the 9/11 memorials will fade, but it could take 50 or 60 years.

Will there be any 100th anniversary commemorations of the Titanic's sinking next year? I doubt there will be much.

We're sick of tourists visiting the WTC site like it's some holy fucking grail.

I'm surprised by this whole post of yours on a weekend like this - of all times. But the sentence I quoted above really bothers me. Thousands of people still visit the Pearl Harbor Memorial in Hawaii. It's for a reason, too - pretending like something didn't happen is way worse than anything else.

And by the way - for better or worse - 9/11 did change America forever.

perceive a lot of it doesn't reflect concern for those who lost their lives that day and their families. Too many people with only a peripheral connection to NYC or the Pentagon watched the event unfold on TV and now seem to think that they, personally, were attacked that day. My favorite example of this is the report i read a while back of a woman in the Midwest who watched the video over and over and now claims PTSD! Sorry, but just because you watched it on TV or visited NYC in 1998, that doesn't make you a survivor!

Some people visit the World Trade Center in tribute to those who were there that day. Others seem to be disaster groupies or tourists checking a site off a list.I think the same phenomenon occurs at other places such as Gettysburg and the Vietnam Memorial.

What really bothers me is the use of this anniversary to exhibit patriotism. It's hard to put into words, but while I am awed by the heroism and love so many exhibited that day, they didn't do it because they were Americans but because they were who they were.

If you call yourself a believer in a commonwealth, there is no other conclusion that can be arrived at. There is no exhibit patriotism. I reject your description of visitors to the WTC site. I have been there more than once. The sense that I get from being there is resolve, interconnectedness and optimism.

This seems to be all about feeding our fears more than they already do, getting everyone all pumped up again and ready to fight.

This is about selling advertising on all these media spectacles.

This is for too many people who have no business doing so to pat themselves on the back for their patriotism.

I do not take what happened lightly, and I was horrified by it, but rehashing it in the media is not what I am interested in doing.

Rec'd to zero.

On the tenth anniversary of the assassination of President Kennedy - it was much like today. Wall-to-wall coverage of memorials in Dallas, Washington and Massachusetts. It is what it is. Ten years is a milestone. Why be so angry about this?

from it. And just like others said, I am free to turn off the TV, just like I did with the Hurricane blathering.

You don't speak for me, or the dead - your post is inflamitory.

But if I can offer you a suggestion, now is a great day to read an enjoyable novel, and unplug. That's what I've been doing for most of the day.

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Why not just say this as your opinion instead of shamelessly co-opting the dead?

And for the record, I'm not watching the coverage right now, but you still get an enthusiastic unrec.

:thumbsdown:

my mom can't watch anymore of the specials, and such, I'm watching the old documentary on MSNBC now about on our soil, and it's so aggravating, and so I understand how angering it is, but you might have been better served to go at it from a personal viewpoint.


http://www.zazzle.com/republicans_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_bumper_sticker-128002960205017719

This is the tenth anniversary of a horror. It isn't about your snit. Damn.

I know someone who died there. She was my godfather's daughter but we considered each other as cousins because our fathers were good friends. She grew up and I grew up and apart. Her life was very similar to mine. She took a job with the airlines, probably because of the flexible hours. I took a job in healthcare for the same reason. I didn't know she died on the plane until a week after it happened and that was really when the event and the reporting of it caused physical pain. Very strange sensation. It did weird things to me, how I thought about things for awhile. I felt very bloodthirsty, wanting revenge for a while, not my norm.

Anyway, they hold the state fair in my town and there is an area where there are monuments for the US Military and one for 9/11 with a piece of one of the towers and a neverdying flame. I visit it when I go to the fair and remember then and honestly, every time I go, I do feel sad, get a lump in my throat and tears come to my eye. It is quite visceral-- it's not like I work myself up or anything, hey! Its the fair!

That is enough for me. I never want to forget the people who died there and the people who sacrificed their health and welfare to save others and to clean it up so the survivors and those that were left behind could move on with their lives and process their grief. But really, I do want to forget the feelings of doom and despair followed by anger and hatred that I had then. So I understand. It seems like it set us on a very bad path. When they say violence begets violence, this is what they mean. I think I'd like a day dedicated to peace. For 9/11 to have a positive connotation, why can't TPTB declare an end to hostilities and withdrawal of troops from the Middle East?

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- to assume you can speak for the dead.

Your disrespect to the victims of 09/11 - living and dead - is sickening.

Can you believe they're still writing books about it 75 years later?

It tired and it's transparent. No matter what you political leanings, it was a monumentally sad day for the country.

Sad that a "progressive" who probably imagines himself to be a super-deep critical thinker can't manage to separate a horrific tragedy from the idiotic national policy later enacted in response to said tragedy.

So, were you on one of the planes or in the towers? On the bright side, there is finally proof of an after life (I bet all you doubters feel foolish). Imagine - one of our own members is dead and still communicates with us. What's it like to be dead? Have you seen Elvis?

...Elvis isn't dead :eyes:

http://www.webspawner.com/users/elviselvis/


...sorry...I couldn't help myself.

Thanks for ruining it.

:popcorn:

I really don't understand why people here at DU are getting so upset by what you wrote.

I think this 10th anniversary 9-11 almost celebration, especially by the RepubliCONS who let it happen on their watch, to be very disturbing. I agree with you it is all pretension by the corporate media and almost a gloating by RepubliCONS that is so sickening.

I do not find your post to be wrong or somehow bad. But the hate being displayed by people here at DU who disagree with you is just as disturbing.

We live in strange times.

Did you listen to former President Bill Clinton today? Only some kind of weird us versus them mentality regarding 9/11 could justify saying today is a "RepubliCON" day. And you speak of hate in this thread.

Some people have convinced themselves that their view and those with views identical to theirs are the only people that think right. With the 24 hour news cycle amplifying the intensity of the personal views, it is not going to change, ever because we have had that tension for all of our history as a nation.

It almost seems that you're buying into this 2004-style Republican narrative that they own the 9/11 legacy. The attacks affected everybody, from the right to the left and all points in between.

People are reacting against this mostly because the OP phrased it in such a crass way with his pretending to speak for the dead. Lots of people felt personally affected by 9/11 and still hold solemn memories of it . . . they don't like shit-stirrers putting in their cynical two cents, especially when the goal is to diminish the quite normal tendency to reflect and commemorate an important event.

*On edit* - It's also telling that the OP hasn't checked back in to defend their post. Maybe he is too busy not watching the commemoration . . .

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But the attacks happened and innocent people of all races and religions were killed in the attacks of 9/11. It is insulting for a person that may not have had a relative die in the attacks speak for the dead.

There couldn't possibly be other reasons . . .

You're full of it. And then some.

of the victims. It's wrong. There are other ways to make the point.

all of the same people who have made a name for themselves since that day are trotting their asses all over tv to sell another book,video and pictures. For the media and most like always its all about the money.

The rememberance was suppose to be one day not a whole damn week,24/7.

I do not think Mr. Clash for one minute was demeaning the deaths on 9/11/2001. I do believe, however, despite the atrocities that occurred TEN BLEEPING YEARS AGO FOR GOD'S SAKE, that he is trying to let America know it is time to stop killing innocents on some Holy Grail quest of vengeance and try to quit acting like we have the right to continue to crucify, malign, destroy, torture, and lay to waste countries in some barbaric vendetta. Bush was and is a blatant moron. To listen to some holy claptrap about WMD's as reason to attack Iraq was ill conceived at best, impeachable in his actions, and completely amazing that supposedly intelligent men and women elected to the highest posts in our lands allowed the war that in our soldier deaths alone long surpassed the death toll in New York.
Under Saddam Hussein, the wicked terrible man who had been doing wicked terrible things for a wicked terrible time before 9/11/2001...DID I MENTION THAT WAS TEN YEARS AGO???, most his countrymen were nonetheless not as unhappy as our western eyes want you to believe they were. They had free education and medical, they had housing and very very low unemployment...did they have democracy and white bread and Christianity? No, but they did not ask to have it either. And by the Islamic calendar, folks, it is still the Middle Ages, so yes, if they seem to be still following the Koran rather closely, think where Christianity was back then...Salem and witches, Spanish Inquisition...blah, blah, blah.
Before I get too far off point here, we have annihilated 10% of the population of Iraq and maimed an additional 30%. We have decimated their infrastructure and lost them their foundation in which they were secure, all due to 9/11...and now we want to mourn the .1% of our population lost in one horrible day. We are now doing that to Afghanistan. Gee, why do they dislike us so much I wonder?
We are spending billions of dollars a day in those two countries, despite the theoretical death of Bin Laden and of course, the early demise of the wicked and terrible Saddam Hussein. But we now want to spend $63 MILLION on a monument to flight 93, a sum that would employ and feed god knows how many Americans. We have trillions in the last ten years to capture one man and get Al-Qaida....to dream the impossible dream, that one.
I lived in the Middle East many times throughout my life, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia. I was always safe. I was always happy. I was always well treated. I could not do that now.
Please keep writing Mr. Clash. For me, I will be listening a lot to my CD's, watching my DVD's and blogging on this new wonderful site I discovered tonight. I do not need anymore BS on 9/11...thanks anyway. This is my second post ever.

(My first was to say goodbye to Mr. Cliff Robertson.)

Welcome to du.

Well, over 1,000 documented Islamic attacks since then,actually, just none on such a large scale.

Unrec.

How ever can you go on?

I take your "we" as meaning those who agree with your point of view. Rarely does everyone agree upon something, pretty much never here at DU.

I kind of agree with you, but I understand it is the 10th anniversary and people go off the deep end on these type of things. I've pretty much avoided the rememberance shows.

Ironically, I just finished watching an episode of Antiques Roadshow when there was a little cartoon bit. In this cartoon the father has 2 sons and one grows up to be a cop and the other a firefighter. It was done pretty lightly, so I was unaware of where it was headed.

The father would talk with his boys every day on the phone. He talked with his son the cop on the night of September 10th and at the end each told the other, "I love you". His son the firefighter called the morning of the 11th telling his dad about the plane hitting the tower and at the end each said, "I love you".

Both died that day, but the father (remember this is a cartoon) said that how many parents had the chance of saying "I love you" as the last thing they say to their children, and hear the same as being the final thing they hear from them?

I've pretty much avoided the 9/11 anniversary stuff, but that was neat and moving, far beyond anything to do with 9/11.

It's simple: the op signed it as those who died on 9/11. And that takes a major sicko.

If he was looking to get a rise out of people, he did, and DUers obligingly rose to take the bait.

about exploitation of them? Really? Why don't you just speak your own mind?

OK, very well. Then may I respectfully tell you to take your presumptuous insensitivity and shove it in an orifice where the sun doesn't shine.

You are not Ender Wiggin. You are not Speaker for the Dead.

knew. Personally I think it comes from a defiant place because I have similar feelings and haven't watched a second of the news channels for days now, something that is very odd for me.

If I had my way the towers would already have been built as a giant fuck you to all people who think like the terrorists who think like the assholes who knocked them down. I have no problem with people remembering their loved ones, it's the national remembrances with all the politicians trying to continue to make a name for themselves off of this incident and our over-reaction that makes me feel that the terrorists won, and that makes me ill.

Remembering 9/11 ten years later is not just about mourning the people who died. It's a day of remembrance and thanks to all those who came together that day to meet an attack on our nation. We're all in this together. It wasn't like they targeted those individuals who died - they only targeted the United States. There was no respecting of persons in those towers or on those planes. To remember them - and that day on this ten year anniversary is not anything to get bent out of shape about.

I don't understand why so many are angry about this weekend. Change the channel. Watch Netflix. If it's not for you - that's fine, but the anger, hardline cursing, blustering (all of it seemingly immature, frankly) is perplexing. Maybe it's a generational thing. It would be interesting to see a real age next to every post in this thread. Just thinking as I type - but there might be a connection.

at its worst.

And I'm 44, so you can start working on your theory.

Do you think all this TV coverage is just about that one official "official" event? I watched an hour devoted solely to first responders, they talked of their experiences, how what they saw changed them, etc. It was moving. They've talked a lot about the first responders, the families, the victims, everyone - as all of us were affected in one way or another. I can only speak for myself, but I don't see this coverage as just about that one "official" event. It's way more than that.

And I'm 52. Like I said, I was 'typing out loud' and was just thinking about how some of the younger posters were possibly under ten when it happened and it might not have the same power of emotion as it does for some others. It wasn't meant as disrespectful toward anyone, just a thought that the differences we see in this thread might have some generational undercurrent - many things do, that's all.

I'm close to NYC here in NJ. None of my friends or relatives who work in the city were killed or injured that day, thankfully, but people in my neighborhood and town were. My kids go to school with kids who were directly effected and fighter jets shook my house that day. I also literally drove by the Times Square bombers truck that night while in the city for dinner.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm right here but I've never gone to 'ground zero' nor had any desire to. I have many friends and acquaintances who feel the same way I do, only they are probably more tactful and nicer than I am. ;)

It may be a regional attitude thing, not sure.

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HEAVENS TO BETSY!

ambivalence :

the day the towers came down, i was working shit assignment as a management employee of a company that was on strike. ( I say shit assignment, because my manager was really hoping I'd quit. He did lay me off at the first opportunity a year later.) When I heard what had happened i was stunned and felt sick for all those involved.

Anyways - that afternoon, we were all called into the warehouse for our daily rah-rah session about how we were doing so well without the union employees and we were going to break this strike! I was stunned at how excited everyone was, until I realized that the buzz was that THIS MEANS WE ARE GOING TO WAR! and WAR IS GOOD FOR OUR BUSINESS!

Oh, and we were sent back to work and enjoined to work hard, because we had to keep production going in this time of national need!

As it happens, neither the invasion of Iraq nor Afghanistan upped this company's sales, and it is now bankrupt.

Anyways, I've always been a little suspicious of people using 9/11 for their own purposes.

Torture, domestic spying, patriot act, homeland security, TSA, wars without end, millions of maimed and dead iraqi innocents, thousands of dead american soldiers. A resulting collection of massive mayhem and destruction.

Your op doesn't even touch what we have already done to dishonor the memory of those that died on 9-11. In fact I find the arrogance of "honoring" them with non stop memorial porn 10 years later to be the ultimate insult.

We've learned nothing.

Instead of shipping pieces of steelbeams around the country to small towns and makeing people bow down and worship stupidity... we should be DEMANDING the truth behind 911.