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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:28 AM Original message |
Two girlfriends of Loughner speak, one says he is faking mental illness |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. crazy like a fox. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. are you saying he is not mentally ill? nt |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. are you saying psychiatry has advanced to the point where "remote diagnoses" are reliable? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. nope... just asking |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. But yet you and others have already made a definitive diagnoses! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. nope. i havent. i am in the camp that it looks like possibly he is but i dont know |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. this has been a point i make when people say pushing rw with no evidence. pushing crazy with no |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. He would not be the first person to intentionally fake it........... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. to be fair, nor would she be the first ex girlfriend to think the worst of her ex.... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
47. I thought this guy |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. It appears he became a loner in recent years, while |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
99. This tells me he developed |
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So Ill (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
107. Ha Ha |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I will also reserve my judgment. Maybe he is one of those really brilliant people who scorn |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. His friend mentioned that he cited "Mein Kampf", because his mother either is Jewish or has Jewish |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. so he faked years of disruptive, delusional behavior? |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Yeah, |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
83. Not to mention, he would have had to do it 24hrs a day for 5+ years, everywhere, with EVERYONE. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
45. I don't think people fake disruptive, delusional behavior. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
103. Disruptive delusional behavior won't help an insanity defense, |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
41. Do you believe a sane person could do what he did? |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. Are you talking about street vernacular sane/insane? ...... |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. He may very well be insane |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
97. And what is your opinion |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
6. IME/O, I find it difficult to fake schizophrenia. The writings and thought processes have a method |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Did you just say that you find it difficult to fake schizophrenia? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
87. HA! That's what I get when I post before coffee. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
7. Two women who are dumb enough to have been his girlfriend don't seem like credible sources |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Heh even stupid people know when someone is faking it. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
27. That really is unfair, especially considering they both seem to |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
57. That Ashley girl doesn't reason very well at all. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I get the impression that she's leveraging the incident to get attention |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Same impression here. Same conclusion too. n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
105. Some posters on DU complained we don't know about Loughner. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
9. Told you tool just establishing phoney diagnosis. GF would know. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. gf broke up with him 6 or 7 years ago. has had no contact with him for years |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. I dunno. She also acknowledged a significant change in recent months, |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
61. it's documented that people with that mental illness should NOT smoke pot. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
12. Exactly how did they get 2 such opposing discriptions of the same person |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. the full interview is from kgun9, fox only showed a part |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I don't think it's odd at all... |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
72. Or act the same with his wife as he does with his best male buddy. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 01:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
124. Huh. I act pretty much the same with all people. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. The first one broke up with him, the second he broke up with her. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. They both seem to imply they broke up with him. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. I don't think their descirption of him are that "opposing." |
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ProudProgressiveNow (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
73. One was Latina, one was not? |
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Karia (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
13. The girlfriend who spoke well of his parents |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. It's such a laughable statement from the other one, Ashley. Maybe they didnt' want her in the house |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. If I remember correctly, his friend said it was a dark unpleasant place |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Thank you. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
15. Double bullshit on this... |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. as others have said he lost his eyebrows |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Sorry...I didn't see that about the eyebrows and |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. some say its standard Arizona prisoner abuse to shave them |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. And there was an artist's rendering of his court appearance posted |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Maybe he soaked his head overnight in Rogaine? |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
84. It would be good to have a photo from the side |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
129. That is from the side, isn't it? He clearly has hair and eyebrows. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 03:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
126. I read that he had a bad case of lice, so they had to shave his hair and brows. |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 05:50 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. any links? |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. No--I didn't read it in a news article--just in various comments. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. That was the first thing I noticed when I first saw his photo... |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. Me either |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. My thoughts are very similar to yours, an inability to distinguish between reality and a dream. |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
85. His fascination with lucid dreaming |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Yes. |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Thanks for the link |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
101. The suffering is enough to make you become crazy yourself |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. I wonder how many like him walk amongst us? I never heard of lucid dreaming really until now. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. The more I'm reading about salvia, the more horrible this is becoming |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #113 |
128. oh wow |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. Maybe she doesn't want what she might see as "an easy out." |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
55. Whether he's "faking" or not |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Thank you. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
22. Anyone who believes this guy is faking and is not really mentally ill really need to get a clue. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Do you realize that under our laws being mentally ill |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. A simple answer: John Hinckley, Jr. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. John Hinckley Jr.? So? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I am. He will. n/t |
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ironrooster (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Correct Elocs. I worked with the severely mental ill - schizophrenics - |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
42. For those of us who are familiar with schizophrenia, Loughner's case waves red flags. |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. speaking of public ignorance of mental illness |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
116. Yep |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 01:44 AM Response to Reply #48 |
121. The two have nothing to do with each other than that they are both |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
65. Shockingly sad volumes. n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Amen to that, elocs |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
96. Yes. And we know that they aren't any more violent than the rest |
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Maine_Nurse (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. Well, sort of... |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
28. she doesn't know about mental illness |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
30. So let me get this straight. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
32. I am astonished that the first thing out of people's mouths is "mental illness" when |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. +1 |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. actually it's not the first thing out of my mouth but the evidence of mental illness |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I'd say an expert really should examine Loughner first before |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Normally, I'd agree. The evidence here is so plentiful and overwhelming |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. I think you are having an inappropriate emotional reaction to a non-existent perceived slight |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Why are you assuming that we're looking "at the horrendous things Loughner did" |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. from what a DUer posted the other day, the guy is a jerk. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. I don't believe that story. It came out when the first hysteria was to accuse |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. I hadn't read of beatings or fights - do you have a link for that info? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. But no job in over 6 months. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #86 |
118. Military officials said he admitted to regular marijuana use |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
77. It wasn't the *first* thing I thought of. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
100. I'm guessing methidrine. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. More much more. He did an entire destructive array |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
122. Word salad. I could show you some of the 10 lb of letters my mom wrote to me over the years on |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
92. Mean people... |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #92 |
108. Some people are just evil and knowingly cruel. Think of the Russian mafia |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
102. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
115. Amen |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
117. My First Thought |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Everything but an official diagnosis. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #119 |
123. Schizophrenics can act very mean when driven by their disordered thoughts to do so. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
120. With all due respect, the 'police' are no more qualified to assess |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
50. The comments in the youtube link are an excellent example of the civility we lack. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
51. Well, it is true you don't need to be crazy to be evil. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
109. And vice versa, just because you're sick doesn't mean you're evil. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Yes, thought about editing my post to add that part. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. You put it well. All people are the same. Some are violent, some aren't |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. 30 years ago, the same accusation was made about Hinckley |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. +1 n/t |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
68. Do schizophrenics have a predilection for shooting only Democrats? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. No. John Hinckley, Jr, schizophrenic, shot a Republican President. -1 n/t |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Roll was a Republican, the girl liked Obama, the rest I don't know |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. BINGO! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
131. At least two of the people who died in the Tucson mass shooting were Republicans |
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Vehl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
76. I would not be surprised |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
112. Ex-Girlfriend Recalls Loughner as 'Normal' |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Thank you for posting this one. I fully believe her |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-14-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #112 |
125. OF COURSE there was a time when he was normal. Schizophrenia isn't congenital. |
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