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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:45 AM
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at least two conservatives call Native American blessing 'peculiar'
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 10:56 AM by Enrique
About the blessing at the beginning of the memorial service.

Last night, Brit Hume on Fox News called it "most peculiar" and this morning, Mona Charen used the same word "peculiar" to describe the blessing, on Bill Bennett's radio show.

Charen also said, "I don't think he was even Native American, I think he was Mexican". I'm not kidding, she said that. :rofl:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:47 AM
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1. LOL they are really reaching
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 03:47 PM
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40. I thought it was beautiful. May those two go to hell. In a good way.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:47 AM
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2. they're the ones
who are fucking peculiar. This is a diverse world; they need to learn to live with the rest of us.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:48 AM
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3. goddess forfend that there should be inclusion in such a terrible situation
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:48 AM
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4. Brit HUme is "most peculiar".
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:56 PM
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38. He never gets out of the house, if he did
Hume would learn the world is full of wondrous things.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:51 AM
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5. Well I loved it!
I saw absolutely nothing "peculiar" about it.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:52 AM
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6. For a group of folks always clamoring about freedom of religion
They don't show too much tolerance for religions other than Christianity.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:58 PM
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19. They only want to be free to practice their own religion.
Anyone else's religion is heretical and they should be burned at the stake.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:26 PM
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34. Dingdingding! We have a winnah! n/t
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:42 PM
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36. Well, only as long as you are speaking about Christian, or Judeo-Christian religion.....
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LiberalCatholic Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 03:05 PM
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39. Well,
they want everybody to be free to be Christian. And you better get on the bandwagon before the rapture (sarcasm). You know, I often hope for a rapture to take away all these wacko Christians. The world will be a much better place....
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:52 AM
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7. So very sad. When a Native American man asked if he could bless me, I was honored.
Too bad these people miss out on the beauty and love.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 11:01 AM
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12. imagine a religion that embraces tolerance, love and mutual respect?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:52 AM
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8. Peculiar because it wasn't a good old fundamentalist Christian guilt-trip
blessing? Different faiths; different approaches. Who cares what Hume thinks, anyhow?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:55 AM
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9. Oh no, people other then Christians blessed something! The world is ending!
I am a Christian, my husband is a church organist. But freedom of religion actually means something to me in this country. Idiots.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 10:56 AM
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10. I guess their marketing department told them their Native American viewership was very low to....
perhaps non-existent. Idiots.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 11:01 AM
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11. I was waiting for the Conservatives to express discomfort with any religion not of judeo christian
origins. They're ridiculous. Go take your intolerance elsewhere.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 11:21 AM
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13. That just made me laugh my ass off


I picture Hume and Bennett like old ladies at the Baptist Covered Dish Social, gossiping about their neighbors.

What complete and total rubes!

Cuz, you know, there's nothing peculiar about their best Buddy, Bloody Pat Robertson, squinching up his eyes and telling us all what the voices in his head ....I mean Gawd hisself.....is saying.




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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:52 PM
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14. Christian cons have a problem with native american religion. They think it is too "new age"
And I agree with the sentiment that Brit Hume is "most peculiar".
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:52 PM
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32. "new age"
I would bet that it was being practiced by First Americans, long before Christianity.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:52 PM
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15. Right. Not like that Roman Catholic Cannabilism thing.
"peculiar" is in the eye of the beholder.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:01 PM
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22. Do you think your (non-sequitur) expression of prejudice is on a higher plane?
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 01:01 PM by WinkyDink
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:11 PM
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25. I think that coming from a different culture, eating the literal body and drinking the literal blood
of Jesus might very well be construed as cannibalism, and also "peculiar".
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:54 PM
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16. Kathleen Parker, too, on twitter last night
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:55 PM
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17. they probably are confused by the notion of a native american.
partisan hacks
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:56 PM
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18. They don't know that most Mexicans are also of mixed blood
with Native American? This is where the word mestizo comes from. I worked with Mexican nationals in restaurants in California who spoke their own native language and used Spanish as a second language.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:01 PM
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44. I would bet
that many Mexicans, especially recent immigrants from southern Mexico, have just as much "indio" blood as our Native Americans.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:58 PM
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20. Yeah that whole drinking blood, eating flesh and sending
your own child to be tortured to death on purpose isn't the slightest bit peculiar.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:03 PM
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24. Brilliant riposte. Except you validate the concept of prejudice.
Or is it "good" to mock only Christianity?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:13 PM
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26. No, it's good to put things in perspective, vs. only seeing them from the dominant paradigm
...get it?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:17 PM
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27. It's not good; it's great
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 01:20 PM by MattBaggins
Actually I make as much fun of that idiot Deepak Chopra as I do the Pope.

Religion is silly. All of it.

In fairness I should have pointed out some of the silliness in Judaism since Mona Charen is Jewish.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:19 PM
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28. The Giant Cosmic Toe will punish you for that.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:58 PM
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21. Years ago,
after Chief Paul Waterman and I completed a reburial ceremony of the remains of a young man who lived and died 2,000 years ago, the community leaders held a picnic for us. We called it a feast, of course, which suggests a slightly different way of viewing the same event.

A news reporter interviewed a number of people at the picnic. One local politician said that the reburial ceremony was "strange," as it included Chief Waterman's "chanting stuff you couldn't understand."

Sometimes in life, we don't understand other people's ways. As a rule, though, we can still respect those things we do not understand. It's the lack of respect that causes so much trouble.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:37 PM
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29. "chanting stuff you couldn't understand"--like the rcc mass in latin?
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:13 PM
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33. Dominus vobiscum
Et cum spiritu tuo
Won't you eat my sleazy pancakes
Just for saintly Alphonso

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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:35 PM
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35. "Strange", indeed.
And that thing where the Faddah walks down the aisle wit' a smokin incense burner, mutterin' in Latin, or da part of the service where da pastor starts playin' wit da snakes? THAT ain't "strange"?
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:02 PM
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23. When this was taking place, daughter and I almost at the same time, said
well there's the crazy christian talking point. OMG no christian benediction at all!

and for the record I Loved the Native American blessing!:hug:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:40 PM
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30. They are wondering why he didn't mention Jesus.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 01:42 PM
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31. Why do we care? Take any topic in the world and at least 2 people out of 6 billion...
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 01:42 PM by newtothegame
will say something stupid abt it. I think we'd all be a lot happier if we weren't always watching the neocons and their reactions.

ed for sp
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 02:52 PM
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37. I knew it was time for her..
to pop out of her hole,how can they be unfamiliar with Native American religion, customs and traditions and call themselves American.They are unamerican because Sarah and the rightwing said so..
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 05:02 PM
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41. These two Hume and Charen prove the point that pundits are
not necessarily journalists nor intellectuals. If they were they would have done a little homework like simply Google "Yaqui Indians," to learn that the "Yaqui Nation," is a recognized Native American Tribe whose reservation land extends not only in the US but into Mexico. Dr Carlos Gonzales, Medical Doctor/Professor at the University of Arizona, and Yaqui Indian is considered "peculiar," because Dr. Gonzales' ability in tri-lingual speaking English, Spanish and Yoeme the traditional language of the Paqua Yaqui and he was translating an Indian prayer so those listening could understand. Seems Hume and Charen as many of their crony pundits are to busy on the cocktail circuit to slow down to listen and learn. Dr. Gonzales explained that his mother was Mexican and his father Yaqui! Why would anyone question his nationality if they understood or even took the time to learn about this tribe.

Tucsonans could understand Dr. Gonzales, as Tucson is truly a melting pot of nationalities, with various beliefs and customs. It is vital that a large medical trauma center such as UMC have personnel on board who can support and work with patients from various cultures. I bet Dr. Gonzales and his staff could even comprehend the crap that comes out of the Humes and Charen mouths!
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 05:18 PM
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42. As soon as I saw it, I knew it would make the wingnuts angry
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 05:46 PM
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43. It was peculiar to this Native American lefty! LOL
I'm mostly native American on both sides. Maternal family from Cochise County AZ. Some family members still reside there. And I have Mexican blood too.

If that rambling slightly silly fether waving mess was a traditional prayer I never heard or seen such. One of my grandmothers was for real in the traditional native religion. People claim all sorts of 'traditions' previous generations never heard of. Humility, dignity and keeping our beliefs to ourselves is what we generally do. Not showmanship. Or preaching at people. That guy reminded me of Ward Churchill.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 06:05 PM
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45. Ain't That Peculiar (Marvin Gaye)
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zklPRExfnAA
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:24 AM
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46. Just read the Charen comment. I thought journalists learn to get the facts.
Did she not hear the speaker's description of his heritage? Perhaps she couldn't understand because of his "accent"?
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