Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Greece on Edge of Insolvency 24 Centuries After City Default

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 05:11 PM
Original message
Greece on Edge of Insolvency 24 Centuries After City Default

(Bloomberg) History’s first sovereign default came in the 4th century BC, committed by 10 Greek municipalities. There was one creditor: the temple of Delos, Apollo’s mythical birthplace.

Twenty-four centuries later, Greece is at the edge of the biggest sovereign default and policy makers are worried about global shock waves of an insolvency by a government with 353 billion euros ($483 billion) of debt -- five times the size of Argentina’s $95 billion default in 2001.

“There is a monstrously large amount of uncertainty and a massive range of possibilities,” said David Mackie, chief European economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in London. “A macroeconomic disaster could be averted but only by aggressive policy action” by central banks and governments, he said.

After two international-bailout deals, three years of recession and budget-cutting votes that almost cost him his job, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou says throwing in the towel now would be a “catastrophe.” Potential consequences of a national bankruptcy include the failure of the country’s banking system, an even deeper economic contraction and government collapse. ........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-22/greece-on-edge-of-biggest-insolvency-24-centuries-after-first-city-default.html



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 05:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. So the other countries and banks have a decision to make
either they fork over a relatively modest 8 billion Euros to keep them afloat for the time being, or collapse the entire world financial system when the default swaps kick in. Of course the governments can nationalize the banks and tell the predators that bought swaps to make a fast buck at everyone else's expense to fuck off.

What really needs to be done is reign in derivatives. That way a default is limited to the actual amount of money involved instead of 20 or 30 times as much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Your right it's a form of fraud ,insured.
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 05:25 PM by orpupilofnature57
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 05:28 PM
Response to Original message
3. I think its time the speculators of debt learn that theres no sure thing
These worldwide parasites have (so far) eluded the consequences of creating derivatives of derivatives based on government bonds that have swelled to be a market worth many multiples of the original debt, and its time they start hurting for their own foolishness instead of thinking the average underpaid citizen will be expected to do without just to keep them in caviar.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sam11111 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
4.  Not caviar but flakes of real gold
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 06:37 PM by sam11111
www.ediblegold.com

I'm sure you sprinkled some this morning on your gruel. (boiled wheat - food of middle ages peasants)

(Try gruel - see why they call it that LOL) scorches easily.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 05:56 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC