MSNBC showing videos of Wall Street!

Thomas Roberts show...

on the number of people on the street?

Video of the women being maced, violent arrest of a young man.

Assume/hope that the videos will be available at MSNBC; my dialup won't let me check that, really wonky today.

I was on the phone, and had the TV muted, but saw clearly a young man thrown down onto the sidewalk.

but I was channel flipping while watching football and missed most of it

On abc.

Actually I have seen it on the noon and evening news every day.

Jesus, this is like living in 1950's Russia.

I'm glad the protests are getting any MSM coverage at all, but the fact that it took violence to make it happens means we shouldn't be too quick to congratulate MSNBC.

... for putting their bodies on the line for us.

-- Mal

seen nothing until Sunday night's news. This from a cable news junkie. His comment was that if and when this gets wide coverage, one of the questions people will be asking is what degree of self censorship by the media has hidden this story. He thinks the self censorship issue reveals which masters the media serve.

plus KO on Current tv. They might as well be the ones who get it first so they can spin it their way.

Since if it's not on the tv, it didn't happen. Good for MSNBC. We should thank them and reward their good behavior. What show was that?

And here is where my sincere thanks to the mayor go. Ordering his cops to use unreasonable force, at The very list, makes some in the press go...SHINY.

The Mayor forgot them lessons, so thank you...now try to arrest an NBC noozie... That will really make this a freedom of the press matter to.

So take a second to thank the Mayor...some hoses and dogs is all that is needed.

Part of the problem with the last decade or so of protests is that they all seemed to be playing to the TV cameras -- and that means the networks get to play gatekeeper. At the worst, they spin things Fox-style ("violent thugs"), but even at best it's all about the biggest crowds, the zaniest signs, and the giant puppets. And the real message gets lost.

One of the unrecognized advantages of this OccupyWallStreet thing is that it's not photogenic. It's just a few hundred people in a park, milling around and having intense discussions. That means that for the media to cover it at all, they actually have to get down in the trenches and *talk* to people.

And how strange and radical is that?

Paradoxical as it may seem, I devoutly hope at this point that the police violence does discourage the protesters from marching. When they do, it turns back into the same old narrative. But when they don't, when they just sit there at Liberty Plaza raising their own political and economic consciousness, they're able to impose a new narrative.

And if they're able to hold onto that, it could be the most valuable thing to come out of this episode of the global struggle.