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Hoosier Daddy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:21 AM Original message |
Are We Killing Ourselves in Yemen, Now? |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. I don't consider him to be one of us. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. So you get to decide who is American? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. So is the fugitive who gets shot by the police resisting arrest. That's not a universal defense. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. A "wanted criminal"? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. He was tried and convicted for conspiracy to commit murder by a Yemeni judge. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. He was never charged in anything that happened in the U.S. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. You seem to have skipped over his connections to Fort Hood and the underwear bomber. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You seem to be mixing legal terms. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. Let's not, also, forget that people who are executed are at least given a trial before |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
50. You seem to be skipping over that evidence of such was ever presented in a U.S. court. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. We don't even have an Extradition Treaty with Yemen, |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
49. This defense cracks me up so much. How's the rule of law in Yemen? Last I heard, their democratic |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. Was. |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Turn in your liberal card |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. The constitution is clear on treason and there is no such charge here. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. How do you know 'we just killed a traitor'? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. How about the fact that he openly claimed credit for attacks to kill Americans? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I see nothing there but speech. |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:07 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Yeah, he should have been investigated instead. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. The Supreme Court has solidly ruled that speech is not action. If it was, then |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. I personally would've liked to see this guy detained. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
56. No one claimed that anything issued by the government must be a lie. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. I'm With You |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. Agreed, but I think it would've been much better if we had just arrested the prick & tried him...... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. Killing is what the US government does best, followed by |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. That's the reason for the "official" designation for "war on terror." Allows us to kill anyone |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. We've been doing this for a couple of years now, |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. We've been doing this a lot longer than that |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
5. AQ members are not 'one of us' |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. Slippery slope indeed. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. If he would have come here |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. What are his charges? I know when his death warrant was signed there were no charges |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. He took up arms against our country |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. Then perhaps he should have turned himself in. nt |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. What were the charges against him? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I personally don't see this as a criminal matter |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. So he falls under the Geneva Convention? Who all is eligible to be at "war" against us. One guy? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. No - he does not meet that criteria |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Nor is there any provision anywhere for going to "war" with one person & murdering him. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:39 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. So you have found the grey area in international law. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. No one would find it particularly "grey" if another country shot a missile at, say, Cheney. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
59. There was a court in Yemen that he skipped |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
15. Yemen Defense Ministry: another American in al-Qaida, Samir Khan, was killed with al-Awlaki |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
16. Yeah, but, but, he's a BAD GUY. Therefore we don't care about his Constitutional rights. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. ... and bad guys are whoever we say they are. Amazing, isn't it? |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. When government asserts an unreviewable power to kill its own |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
18. Drone killings are illegal assassination. How did that magically become okay? |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Obama's doing them. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. When's the first one going to take place openly in the U.S.? If it's "legal" there, it's legal here. |
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DearHeart (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You are correct! Once you open this door, you can't close it |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
19. lol |
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AngkorWot (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
22. Cry some more. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
29. Yes. But, it makes good PR during the campaign season. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
31. Obama promises and delivers that he will go after terrorists and DU |
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dreamnightwind (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Obama creates more new terrorists than he kills |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. He lost any moral authority by continuing the wars period! |
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dreamnightwind (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Agree about the wars, we should leave |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
43. Who is this "ourselves" we're talking about, somebody wanting to kill YOU and ME?!1 n/t |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
46. Ten recs and counting, and a pizza too. Hmm. nt |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
60. Candidate Obama |
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