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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:45 PM
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Truth vs Fiction-NYT Takes 20 minutes to shift blame & make up crap About OWC Protesters
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:48 PM
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1. * (nt)
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 09:50 PM
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2. Next it will be tear gas, then later rubber bullets, and then eventually another
Kent State massacrer so they can show the masses citizens have no right to peaceful protests in this country, and they will silence the masses.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:00 PM
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3. Looks like the byline added some guy named "Al Baker" on the 2nd version
Maybe Al did it.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:02 PM
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4. So who is Al Baker?
Inquiring minds want to know why he rewrote Colin's piece and added his name. I'd be willing to bet he knows Tony Baloney.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:05 PM
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9. Al Baker, Police Headquarters Bureau Chief:
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 10:29 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/business/media/13askthetimes.html?pagewanted=all

Talk to the Newsroom: Police Bureau Chief

Published: October 12, 2008



Al Baker, police headquarters bureau chief, answered questions from readers Oct. 13-17, 2008. To move directly to the most recent answer, click here.

A native of Brooklyn and a resident of Manhattan, Mr. Baker took over his current post in the fall of 2005. He joined The Times in May 2000 as a reporter on the Metropolitan Desk and his first assignments were covering Westchester County as well as the financial crisis in Nassau County, on Long Island.

After Sept. 11, 2001, he moved into assignments covering security and the Police Department through December 2002, when he went to work in New York’s statehouse bureau in Albany. There he wrote about politics and government, focusing on the state’s budget woes, until October 2005.

He then returned to police headquarters, in Lower Manhattan, a place steeped in his family history: His father, Lieutenant Alfred J. Baker, is a retired citywide supervisor in the N.Y.P.D. Emergency Service Unit.

In addition to covering daily episodes of crime and disorder, the stories emanating from the bureau over Mr. Baker’s tenure have touched on police policy and politics and on the culture of the department, including its instances of officer wrongdoing.

MORE

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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:24 PM
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16. Wow! This seems like a pretty clear cut example of "in your face" biased reporting!
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 11:10 PM by Vinnie From Indy
This seems grotesquely unethical. How many of the NYT readers know that Baker has deep and long ties to the NYPD?
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:18 PM
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20. He's an advocate for the NYPD, not a journalist. nt
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:33 PM
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22. Worked for Newsday, Daily News.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:15 PM
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40. In other words, his office is at One Police Plaza and his revised report was doubtless...
filed from there, not from the bridge a couple of blocks down the way.
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:34 PM
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50. so the police run the news
ie Police state.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 01:13 PM
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57. He's embedded.
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sunflowerseed Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:03 PM
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5. Kick
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:04 PM
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6. k&r
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:04 PM
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7. we DO have a Censored Media
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:10 PM
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12. But I still don't think the masses get it, they really don't. So many Americans IMO
are so damn clueless.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:34 PM
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Lizzie Poppet Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:05 PM
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8. Look like they were given their orders.
Can't have the rabble getting any more big ideas...
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:06 PM
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10. Al Baker is listed as "New York Times Police Bureau Chief"
According to the newspapers web site. So I'm guessing he is the de facto spinmeister for all things police related.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:08 PM
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11. Fuck Al Baker.
Fuck him. Fucker.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:18 PM
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14. Well spoken sir. Couldn't agree more.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:04 PM
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38. Not even with yours, dude
Oh, you were speaking metaphorically, ok, my bad.
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7wo7rees Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:42 PM
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51. NYT complaint line may as well be 1-800-EAT-SHIT
Fuck you NYT and FUCK YOU NYPD.



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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:29 PM
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53. +1000 Fuck Al Baker, journo my sweet FA
:argh:
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:54 PM
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25. No bias here!
:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:12 PM
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13. Presstitutes. No wonder they're going broke. n/t
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 09:44 PM
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54. fear not a NYT bankruptcy, Pinchy will make sure they get millions in the next corporatist bailout
:hurts:


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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:20 PM
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15. Here's yet another updated at 7:58 pm (from the 4:29 pm version)

Police Arrest About 500 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge
By AL BAKER and COLIN MOYNIHAN

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/police-arresting-protesters-on-brooklyn-bridge/?hp

In this one they cite the dispatches of the buses "in a planned move against the protestors."
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:32 PM
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17. wow, that's fucking blatent. nt
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dogknob Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:36 PM
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18. Maybe Anonymous should change NYT's tagline...
"...All The Hype That's Fit To Spew"
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 10:51 PM
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19. The NYT's makes a great fish wrapper.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:24 PM
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21. Thanks for that find!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:36 PM
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23. The paper that sold us the stupid Iraq War?
Are people REALLY shocked?
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:45 PM
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24. out of curiosity
there is something that is against the law, you see a large group of people act in a way that would break it

What do you do

a: decide that it must be legal since nobody tells you that you shouldn't do it and join in.
b: Decide against joining in since its obviously still illegal and follow the guidelines of the organizers.

--

Unless I'm wrong the organizers advocated AGAINST going on the road itself and staying on the pedestrian area since breaking the law obviously can lead to arrests
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-11 11:57 PM
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26. 20 minutes + Al Baker
Edited on Sat Oct-01-11 11:57 PM by 0rganism
the addition of his name to the By line is... conspicuous and deserves to be highlighted as well.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:32 AM
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27. K&R's the other thread


So I'll give this one the same treatment

:kick: (Cept I'm leaving a donkey in this one)


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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:20 AM
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28. So basically....
Al Baker is pretty much a public information officer/PR person working for the police--who has
a job at the New York Times.

OMFG...when you look at what happened to that story within 10 minutes and you see that ol' Al Baker
and his spin machine whipped into gear--it's obvious what happened.

Wow. Looks like we're scaring these corrupt criminals to the point that they're scrambling to make
the protesters look bad.

This really is sick, and the New York Times should be totally ashamed of its disgusting lies and spin that
put this publication on par with the Weekly World News.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:28 AM
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29. Wow - The NYT operating just like the Ministry of Truth (R)
disgusting. I hope they get called on this eevil truth-twisting bullshit far and wide...
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:19 PM
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42. As they have always done. And I've seen exactly this kind of revision several times before.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 06:58 AM
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30. Just like how white people were "finding" and black people were "looting" according to Yahoo News
during hurricane Katrina.

:argh:
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:17 PM
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31. ...and I'd like to introduce my new invention - I call it the wheel
So the New York Times lies? Who'da thunk it?

Just go back and look at their reporting of ANY Democratic candidate since Reagan, and fact-check it. Or just google "New York Times lies" and make your own collection of already-documented instances.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:18 PM
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41. Or just look at all of their foreign policy reporting, ever. Especially about the empire.
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:30 PM
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32. The daily comics are the only reson to read that rag. yeah I know.
Didn't we all learn something important about the NY Times during the Iraq war build up? You can find factual news in that paper if you look real hard and quickly.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 12:58 PM
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33. K&R
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nilram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 01:28 PM
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34. they're nuts.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:16 PM
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35. Wow K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 02:22 PM
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36. To be fgair, they were continualy updated reports.
I don't know why an archive of them weren't available, though. From the same link, but later:

"... many protesters said that they thought the police had tricked and trapped them, allowing them onto the bridge and even escorting them across, only to surround them in orange netting after hundreds of them had entered.

“The cops watched and did nothing, indeed, seemed to guide us onto the roadway,” said Jesse A. Myerson, a media coordinator for Occupy Wall Street who was in the march but was not arrested...

Etan Ben-Ami, 56, a psychotherapist from Brooklyn who was up on the walkway, said that the police seemed to make a conscious decision to allow the protesters to claim the road. “They weren’t pushed back,” he said. “It seemed that they moved at the same time.”

Mr. Ben-Ami said he left the walkway and joined the crowd on the road. “It seemed completely permitted,” he said. “There wasn’t a single policeman saying ‘don’t do this’.”

He added: “We thought they were escorting us because they wanted us to be safe.” He left the bridge when he saw officers unrolling the nets as they prepared to make arrests..."



http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/police-arresting-protesters-on-brooklyn-bridge/
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 03:46 PM
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37. This is just an early version. If this bothers you, your head is going to explode as the fairy tale
gets darker and darker.

Thanks to whomever posted that the New York Times was the paper that LEAD US INTO THE IRAQ WAR.

REC.

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Dont call me Shirley Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:14 PM
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39. Journalists, Police, YOU ARE THE 99% and will always be the 99%, stop protecting the 1%
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:20 PM
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43. Reminder:
Even when they are telling us what we think we want to hear THE MEDIA IS NOT ON OUR SIDE.

THE MEDIA IS NOT ON OUR SIDE.

THE. MEDIA. IS. NOT. ON. OUR. SIDE.

Thank you. :)
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dbflah Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:40 PM
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45. NYTimes
Hurt their wallets......
Don't buy the paper, don't read their website!
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 04:51 PM
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46. K & R. Will Al Baker join the protesters when he gets fired?
:shrug:
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:42 PM
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47. The Blues over a the park yesterday KNEW they are 99%ers.
No question about it.
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:52 PM
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48. The current online version is fully balanced. NO PROBLEMO ! Updated, 1:23 p.m. Sunday.
Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge

This version bends over backward to report both sides of it, including police actions that brought people into the roadway.

I got no complaints with this one.

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In a tense showdown above the East River, the police arrested more than 700 demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street protests who took to the roadway as they tried to cross the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday afternoon.

The police said it was the marchers’ choice that led to the enforcement action.

“Protesters who used the Brooklyn Bridge walkway were not arrested,” Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the New York Police Department, said. “Those who took over the Brooklyn-bound roadway, and impeded vehicle traffic, were arrested.”

But many protesters said they believed the police had tricked them, allowing them onto the bridge, and even escorting them partway across, only to trap them in orange netting after hundreds had entered.

“The cops watched and did nothing, indeed, seemed to guide us onto the roadway,” said Jesse A. Myerson, a media coordinator for Occupy Wall Street who marched but was not arrested.

A video on the YouTube page of a group called We Are Change shows some of the arrests. .... etc.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 05:59 PM
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49. oh dear... seems like the Memory Hole is suffering from a backup.
y'know, this might lead to shit overflowing everywhere.

:evilgrin: :hide:
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-11 07:48 PM
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52. Great catch!
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 08:19 AM
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55. Yes, and days later the same catch is being caught. n/t
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 08:41 AM
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56. The NY Times had a pretty good article later in the day
I can't find it now, but it got all the facts out in the first few paragraphs, including the ones regarding the alleged police behavior.
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