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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:45 AM
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Occupy Wall Street Warning: "Obama’s presidency could someday be seen as little but an irrelevancy"
The Warning Occupy Wall Street Has for President Obama
by Tom Engelhardt
Tom Engelhardt, co-founder of the American Empire Project, runs the Nation Institute's TomDispatch.com
October 10, 2011



It’s as if the spreading movement, made up of kids who might once have turned out for presidential candidate Obama, had left him and his administration in the dust. Like big labor, the left, and the media, the administration that loved its bankers to death (and got little enough in return for that embrace) is now playing catch-up with a ragtag bunch of protesters it wouldn’t have thought twice about if they hadn't somehow caught the zeitgeist of this moment. (Don’t forget that the Obama administration was similarly left scrambling and desperately behind events when it came to the demonstrators in Tahrir Square in Cairo last January.)

The best Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner could say a few days ago, when asked about his sympathies for the Occupy Wall Street movement, was: "I feel a lot of sympathy for what you might describe as a general sense among Americans that we've lost a sense of possibility." Really? White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley didn’t know if the movement was exactly “helpful” for the White House agenda. Truly? And White House press spokesman Jay Carney commented blandly, “I would simply say that, to the extent that people are frustrated with the economic situation, we understand.” Do you?

Suddenly, last Thursday, with news about the anti-Wall Street movement whipping up a storm, the Obama administration found itself out of breath and running hard to reposition itself. Vice President Joe Biden said, “The core is the bargain has been breached with the American people,” while at his news conference addressing questions about the movement the president added, “I think it expresses the frustrations that the American people feel... he protesters are giving voice to a more broad-based frustration about how our financial system works.”

Those kids in downtown Manhattan (and increasingly across the country and the world) are offering their own warning, and theirs, after a fashion, comes from the future, one in which Obama’s presidency could someday be seen as little but an irrelevancy.

Read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/10-2
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:57 AM
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1. Obama needs to give up his neocon ways and be a populist, and fast.
in my opinion.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:02 AM
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3. Yes, people expected a community organizer to be more populist than neocon...
Funny how that "change" thing happened.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:32 AM
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5. neocon? I would LOL
but you're not funny
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:03 AM
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10. Yeah, I agree Obama is not a neocon
He's actually a neoliberal. On economic issues (including imperialism) he merely AGREES with the neocons. On social issues he's SOMEWHAT liberal.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:12 AM
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12. Yes Neolib but appoints neocons:
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:03 PM
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24. Neoliberalism is a form of fascism
It is privatization. Extractive privatization.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:07 AM
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17. In other words, both Obama and all neocons are neoliberals.
Just want to clarify that neoliberal is a term in economics and does not mean a branch of or an evolution of a liberal in the political sense. It means favoring liberal (lax or nonexistent) regulation of markets -- favoring leaving them alone and letting them work their "magic".

Every single Republican and every single neocon is a neoliberal (or at least I haven't seen a single one who isn't) because they all favor free market policies. Obviously, then, it is possible (frequent, even) for a politician to be a neoliberal while not being even the slightest bit liberal when the term is used in the political sense.

It is easy for this to get confusing because the word "liberal" has a completely different meaning in the two contexts. As used in "neoliberal" it means liberal or lax regulation of markets. In the label "liberal" that refers to a political branch, it means liberal policies toward people.

I assume you know this already but was concerned your wording would lead others to think of "neoliberal" as a branch or type of liberal, which it isn't.

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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:04 PM
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25. Neoliberalism is privatization and extraction
Every country where it has been practiced has collapsed under it's weight.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:08 PM
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18. As you can see, I was responding to a post citing "neocon ways"...
No, that kind of "change" is not funny at all.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:53 AM
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14. YES
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 08:57 AM
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2. K & R
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:03 AM
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4. So "the left" is being shamed by OWS? Who exactly does this moron think OWS are?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 09:05 AM by Robb
Edited to add: also, love that "union fat cat" right-wing bullshit in there, too.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:33 AM
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6. OMFG leave it to Tom E. to make it all about Obama
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:58 AM
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8. Yep.
Copy/Paste/Dump

Agent Provocateurs come in all shapes and sizes.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 09:36 AM
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7. One thing that it won't be is irrelevent. Whether one agrees or disagrees the facts are that the
Obama administration created a massive healthcare reform bill. The administration saved the American auto industry, prevented a complete financial meltdown, got OBL, and a wealth of other things.

Many do not agree with the approaches taken, but to say it is irrelevent is nonesense
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:00 AM
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9. Someday?
Someday?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:03 AM
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11. I considered Obama irrelevant as soon as he announced there
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 10:04 AM by coalition_unwilling
would not even be an investigation of the Bush\Cheney Junta. Everything since has just been a series of increasingly pathetic footnotes.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:18 PM
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21. That move quickly showed he wasn't that into the justice part of the Constitution...
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 12:18 PM by polichick
I don't know how he justifies it in his mind - that or the banksters getting off.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:29 AM
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13. unrec for your continual campaign against obama.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:57 AM
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15. When is he going to put on some comfortable shoes...
and head on down to OWS, eh???:hi:

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Billypenn Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:01 AM
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16. I would go so far to say
That the Occupy movement isn't just the Left (but a part of it is). There are many people who just don't think of themselves in those terms. The terms that the mainstream media want everyone to believe in. Left vs Right. Poor vs. Rich. And so too do the politicians.

Corporate America is neither left or right. They are what they are.

Obama (or any president or politician) should always take the side the people are on. That's the dividing line here.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:11 PM
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19. ODS makes people think everything is about Obama
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:15 PM
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20. The Symbolic Presidency
Possible, although I'm not sure FDR himself would have much better luck in today's vile, self-serving Washington.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:45 PM
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22. Here's a different perspective:
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 12:47 PM by ProSense
Senator Franken: The importance of the Reocovery Act

<...>

Another vital component of the Recovery Act that is often overlooked is its expanded funding for unemployment insurance that helped keep 3.3 million people, including 1 million children, out of poverty in 2009. Another overlooked but critical program in the Recovery Act is the funding for Head Start. The $2 billion allocation preserved Head Start and Early Head Start programming for 64,000 children across the country-over 900 in Minnesota alone. These programs are helping the most vulnerable kids in our communities.
It's simple-economic analysis suggests that the Recovery Act boosted demand, created millions of jobs, kept families in their homes, and helped the economy start growing again.

Let me tell you what I love about being a Senator. As opposed to being a candidate for Senate. I think most of my colleagues can relate to this. When you're a candidate, you're speaking mainly to your own party. When you're trying to get the nomination, when you're getting out the vote. But as a Senator, you talk to everyone. I travel all over the state of Minnesota and meet with mayors and city council members, and county commissioners, and small businesses.

And everywhere I go, they thank me for the Recovery Act. They thank me for the teachers and firefighters, for the Workforce Investment Act funds, which they used to train people for jobs. For the highway extension or the wastewater plant or the funds for rural broadband or for weatherization of public buildings.

In fact, Michael Gunwald, writing for Time Magazine, said this: "the Recovery Act is the most ambitious energy legislation in history, converting the Energy Department into the world's largest venture-capital fund. It's pouring $90 billion into clean energy, including unprecedented investments in a smart grid; energy efficiency; electric cars; renewable power from the sun, wind and earth; cleaner coal; advanced biofuels; and factories to manufacture green stuff in the U.S. The act will also triple the number of smart electric meters in our homes, quadruple the number of hybrids in the federal auto fleet and finance far-out energy research through a new government incubator modeled after the Pentagon agency that fathered the Internet."

<...>


President Obama is working to build a lasting legacy.

Whether it's ending DADT, strengthening labor policies and environmental policies, helping low income communities and families and homeless Americans, establishing the CFPB, and other reforms, the things this President has done, will have a lasting impact on real families.

Why Republicans are So Intent on Killing Health Care Reform

by Richard Kirsch

It’s not just about expanded care. It’s about proving our government can be a force for the common good.

Why are John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell so intent on stopping health care reform from ever taking hold? For the same reason that Republicans and the corporate Right spent more than $200 million in the last year to demonize health care in swing Congressional districts. It wasn’t just about trying to stop the bill from becoming law or taking over Congress. It is because health reform, if it takes hold, will create a bond between the American people and government, just as Social Security and Medicare have done. Democrats, and all those who believe that government has a positive place in our lives, should remember how much is at stake as Republicans and corporate elites try to use their electoral victory to dismantle the new health care law.

<...>

There’s nothing new here. Throughout American history, health care reform has been attacked as socialist. An editorial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in December 1932, just after FDR’s election, claimed that proposals for compulsory insurance “were socialism and communism — inciting to revolution.” The PR firm that the American Medical Association hired to fight Truman’s push for national health insurance succeeded in popularizing a completely concocted quote that it attributed to Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State.”

<...>


One Million Young Adults Gain Health Insurance in 2011 Because of the Affordable Care Act

Reducing costs, protecting consumers: The Affordable Care Act on the one year anniversary of the Patient’s Bill of Rights

One year after the Affordable Care Act’s Patient’s Bill of Rights took effect, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) released a report summarizing some of the achievements of the health reform law. In the eighteen months since the president signed the Affordable Care Act into law, health reform has had a tangible effect in the lives of millions of Americans. The report discusses how the law is helping to give hardworking families the security they deserve and the reforms in the Affordable Care Act that have helped hold down insurance premiums, hold insurance companies more accountable and strengthen Medicare.

“The Affordable Care Act has made the health care system better for millions of Americans,” said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “As a mother, a wife and a daughter, I know how important health coverage is for America’s families. This law is helping to give hard working families the security they deserve and stop insurance company abuses, hold down insurance premiums and strengthen Medicare.”

Recent reports, including the U.S. Census and the National Health Information Survey, have indicated that approximately one million additional young Americans now have insurance coverage due to the Affordable Care Act according to experts. The Patient’s Bill of Rights made it illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage to a child with a pre-existing condition or place a lifetime limit on the care they will provide. Through Affordable Care Act initiatives, 19 million seniors with Medicare have received new free preventive benefits, while efforts to cut fraud and abuse have extended the Medicare Trust Fund by 8 years, strengthening the Medicare program.

To read more about the many accomplishments of the law visit: http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/reports/patients-bill-of-rights09232011a.pdf

To read a blog commemorating today by Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs Richard Sorian visit: www.healthcare.gov/blog

And he saved the auto industry.



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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:59 PM
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23. LOL! Suddenly, after 3 years of pandering to the right, they've seen the light.
Well, sort of. Maybe. A little. Until next November.

Memo to Obama, Geithner, Daley and crew: OWS is about being disgusted with Father-knows-best, Politics-as-Usual.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:58 PM
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26. Not really. Just a lot of blow hard election rhetoric. We heard it all in 2008.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 11:00 AM
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