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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:48 AM
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Chris Hedges -- Why the Elites Are in Trouble
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/275-42/7810-why-the-elites-are-in-trouble

Ketchup, a petite 22-year-old from Chicago with wavy red hair and glasses with bright red frames, arrived in Zuccotti Park in New York on Sept. 17. She had a tent, a rolling suitcase, 40 dollars' worth of food, the graphic version of Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" and a sleeping bag. She had no return ticket, no idea what she was undertaking, and no acquaintances among the stragglers who joined her that afternoon to begin the Wall Street occupation. She decided to go to New York after reading the Canadian magazine Adbusters, which called for the occupation, although she noted that when she got to the park Adbusters had no discernable presence.

The lords of finance in the looming towers surrounding the park, who toy with money and lives, who make the political class, the press and the judiciary jump at their demands, who destroy the ecosystem for profit and drain the U.S. Treasury to gamble and speculate, took little notice of Ketchup or any of the other scruffy activists on the street below them. The elites consider everyone outside their sphere marginal or invisible. And what significance could an artist who paid her bills by working as a waitress have for the powerful? What could she and the others in Zuccotti Park do to them? What threat can the weak pose to the strong? Those who worship money believe their buckets of cash, like the $4.6 million JPMorgan Chase gave a few days ago to the New York City Police Foundation, can buy them perpetual power and security. Masters all, kneeling before the idols of the marketplace, blinded by their self-importance, impervious to human suffering, bloated from unchecked greed and privilege, they were about to be taught a lesson in the folly of hubris.

Even now, three weeks later, elites, and their mouthpieces in the press, continue to puzzle over what people like Ketchup want. Where is the list of demands? Why don't they present us with specific goals? Why can't they articulate an agenda?

The goal to people like Ketchup is very, very clear. It can be articulated in one word - REBELLION. These protesters have not come to work within the system. They are not pleading with Congress for electoral reform. They know electoral politics is a farce and have found another way to be heard and exercise power. They have no faith, nor should they, in the political system or the two major political parties. They know the press will not amplify their voices, and so they created a press of their own. They know the economy serves the oligarchs, so they formed their own communal system. This movement is an effort to take our country back.

More at the link --
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itsallhappening Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:58 AM
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1. A microcosm of how a society would function under these people's ideas
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 11:00 AM by itsallhappening
whether they realize it or not. But this should tell them something.

"The media team, upon receiving that laptop, designated it to me for my use on behalf of the Internet committee. The computer isn't mine. When I go back to Chicago, I'm not going to take it. Right now I don't even know where it is. Someone else is using it. But so, after hearing this, people thought it had been gifted to me personally. People were upset by that. So a member of the Internet work group went in front of the group and said, 'This is a need of the committee. It's been put into Ketchup's care.' They explained that to the group, but didn't ask for consensus on it, because the committees are empowered."

Of course The Committee they didn't ask because they are empowered.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:40 AM
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2. The committees were empowered by prior concensus.
Which was clearly spelled out in the General Assembly minutes.

So the paragraph you pointed out says:
Some people mis-understood the delegation of the laptop, then a committee member explained the rational for it,said rational based on right of the committee which had previously been agreed to by consensus of the protesters who were at the General Assembly.

This site publishes the daily General Assembly minutes.I read it every evening.

http://nycga.cc/
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itsallhappening Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:36 PM
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7. Yes, that's what the paragraph says.
If you change the words. :eyes:

What's the process by which protesters may recall members of The Committee?

And isn't it a little strange that they have empowered a few people to decide who gets what? Who's watching that >1%?

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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 02:05 PM
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13. Why don't you ask them? Here is there web page:
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itsallhappening Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 03:41 PM
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16. I'm asking what your thoughts are
on them giving that kind of power to a few.

That, and whether you're supporting the current setup without knowing whether there's recall power.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:44 AM
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4. "...these people's ideas..."
Right. They reject the top-down corporate structure of leadership, so obviously they are ushering in an era of Robspierre and the Committee of Public Saftey, trundling people off to the guillotine.

Be afraid...be very afraid.
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itsallhappening Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:32 PM
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6. .....
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:41 PM
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9. Well, I guess you ARE afraid of the people and democracy.
Thanks for letting us know.
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itsallhappening Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:19 PM
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10. No.
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 01:21 PM by itsallhappening
If/when the protests turn violent, I think our various city police and/or our military are better equipped to handle it than most.

I was simply showing you the intent of some of the supporters of this movement. That thread is full of calls to violence. That's not democracy. It's intimidation. That's what you're for?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:28 PM
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11. I think YOU are trying to inhibit legitimate discussion by assuming
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 01:30 PM by RaleighNCDUer
the protesters will turn to violence.

It's clear whose side YOU are on.

ON EDIT

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable - John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

What a rabble-rouser.
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itsallhappening Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 03:40 PM
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15. I'm not inhibiting discussion.
We're discussing it.

"It's clear whose side YOU are on."

You've apparently bought into the false dichotomy.

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itsallhappening Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 03:38 PM
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14. Right. It was in jest.
All of them.

:eyes:

And this guy, too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlPY9AfQFqI

Intimidation doesn't require wealth, so your assertion that they're poor and powerless is irrelevant. An angry group can do a lot. Sure, they haven't yet, but I won't be surprised.

You sound very angry yourself. Sorry to hear that.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:44 AM
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3. Three things...
One, when our youth have nothing left to lose, it's time for a huge change.
Two, NYPD are running out of money, having already spent over $2 million on the protest.

Third thing...K&R!
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:09 PM
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5. NYPD unfortunately not runing out of money, remember the 4.6 million Chase gave them.
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 12:27 PM by dixiegrrrrl
I think you posted about it, right?

edited to correct amount of money.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:40 PM
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8. I saw a link, hopefully true, where the NYPD complained about having spend $2 million on #OWS
so here's hoping it'll be just like the ending of "TXH1138" where their budget runs out and they have to leave the good guys alone.

:woohoo:
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