President Obama's Gallup approval rating among liberal Democrats for October 10th-16th is 82%.

Folks are just gonna get mad....
then, they'll figure out a way to get even.

It is a good thing that most Liberals Democrats are at least
supporting the President now for doing what they said
they wanted him to do; to fight back, even if nothing gets passed....

But there are many here who aren't Liberal Democrats,
and that although they consider themselves Liberals....
they don't necessarily call themselves Democrats....
and it doesn't matter what Pres. Obama ever does in life,
they will never rally round him, unless he does exactly what they all say,
and do it exactly perfectly without ever deviating from their thoughts and demands,
which of course, is an impossibility.....

So, with that said, I'm just wondering....
Do you need to be all up in everybody's face about this? :shrug:

It's not like its gonna help this President with this crowd....
more like it only antagonizes them, but you know that, right? :shrug:

but I'm just not sure antagonizing folks is actually effective.

I realize that folks who are sensitive and might get even madder
in reading a post from you stating that this President's support has risen,
are most likely the folks who most likely will not be voting for Obama,
nor working for his election, nor donating to him, and possibly many
will do what they can to see him defeated in order for their "point" to
be made, whatever point that is, and no matter who ends up suffering that
much more for it.....

So I'm not sure if you making this claim based on polling
is gonna "help" anything. Just sayin'.... :shrug:

If you see 100 different people a day post that they have finally had enough do you think it counts for nothing? If we see this many every day, and it is that many and it is every day don't you think that might be indicative of a larger problem among those people who do not use DU?

I know with some certainty that every liberal I that I talk to has abandoned him, they tell me how pissed off and betrayed they feel every time they think about him or see him on the TV-machine. I do too.

So screw all this glad talk, it has too much trouble competing with what people are saying in person.

If I recall correctly, the number in December 2008 was 87% support among liberal Dems.

The reality is that just like most Republicans would never approve of Obama even after he saved the economy and got Bin Laden, some liberal Dems refuse to support him based on ridiculously unrealistic expectations.

I have still never been polled on this; perhaps because I'm the "wrong" kind of liberal Democrat. Also, I don't know what "approve" means anent the Obama administration. Does it mean that in order to offset the prevailing narrative from the Mighty Republican Wurlitzer, I'll say I "approve" of the Obama administration, while being disgusted with nearly every policy initiative, and the continuation of so many ruinous policies left over from the previous administration? What does "approve" mean in that case? "I'm sticking my thumb in the eye of the Rush Limbaughs of the world"?

Or does it mean that I really do approve of continuing wars, new arenas of armed conflict, and the extra-judicial murder of persons across the globe? I would submit that someone who is so cavalier about the Constitution and our treaty agreements hardly qualifies as "liberal." Are specific policies and actions addressed in this poll? Is the "approve" rating then a distillation of yeas and nays on certain items and if yeas outnumber nays, I'm marked as "approving" of the Obama administration? Or are some items weighted more heavily? While I'm glad that the president has finally figured out how to hold obstructionist Republicans responsible for their obstructionism, I hardly mark that as a counter to so many other things coming out of the administration.

Not having access to the questions asked, the demographics of those polled (who determines a respondent is a liberal Democrat, anyway), and the cross-tabs drilling down into age groups, gender, and so forth, the 82% figure is pretty devoid of meaning. Which may be the point.

Do I approve of his reelection given that the alternative would be far worse? Of course

Approve in relationship to indoctrinated right-wingers who actually think Sean Hannity is a really smart guy who speaks truth to power? Yeah, in relationship to Sean Hannity's world - I suppose I approve of Obama.

I suspect that if I was ever asked by one of these polling agencies if I approve of Obama, I would probably say yes. Because in relationship to the only other competing political power base capable of forming a government - in that sense I approve.

But in relationship to politically aware people - the question of approval gets more complicated. Anyone who thinks that most politically aware liberals mean by approve that they approve of Obama's center-right policies on both economics and foreign policy issues simply don't know very many politically aware liberals.

What you said.

Until then, it's bs in my mind.

since you refuse to provide a link. For all we know, you're pulling numbers out of your ass.

and since he cannot prove it...I am correct.

Thank you for sticking in there, most people would have quit at reply 2 or 3. :thumbsup:

and wonder where else in life it might be applied. "Officer, I ALWAYS go fifty through this school zone. Why are you pulling me over NOW?" Or, how about, "My dog shits on your lawn all the time, what are you pissy about all of a sudden?"

Funny that...

;)

It makes us look stupid.

Thank goodness the DU community with its low approval of the president is only a very small slice of things and apparently not representative of reality.

.... that the NUMBER of LIBERALS has declined precipitously?

Lies, damn lies, etc.

:kick::kick:

Oh yeah. You wouldn't be able to fit it in the subject line. :eyes:

They'll just raising the bar and projecting onto this man what THEY want him to do.

I'm very happy that there are OWS rallies all over the country and the world. Some of the protesters are not Obama supporters. In fact, some are calling for his impeachment, which is ridiculous.

Still, the movement has given the Democrats (not all of them) a chance to demonstrate that there is in fact an underlying difference between the two major parties.

While the Republicans continue to bash and demean these people, the Democrats had better get out there and Democrats that they are not like the Republicans.

Either the Democrats show this or they fail.

I do believe that there is a strong difference. And no, I do not believe that Obama is as corporatist as many assert, though I don't believe that he is liberal at all. He never claimed to be. But it doesn't matter. Everyone will be pissed off at him for one reason or another. Perhaps it means that he's doing something right.

Pretty sure that's called a representative democracy. I'm not sure why anyone would begrudge people their right to petition people they vote for to do what they want them to do.

Just Kidding, figured I'd save someone the trouble.. :toast:

Oh I knew you were kidding. The people who really make those insinuations never have the cojones to use the word ;)

But my "project unto him," I mean untrue notions about who he is. Many liberals assumed that Obama was liberal though he have never said it, his voting record doesn't show this, and his books never alluded to it. That's what I mean by "projecting" onto him what we want him to be rather than who he is.

I will vote for him to keep the repug irrational sociopaths from winning. But, if he had someone against him in the primary who was for US labor rights, rescinding little boot's tax cuts and stricter regulations on wall street-I'd vote for that candidate in a heartbeat. Especially if they had a stronger economic team, that's not joined at the hip with wall street.

I voted for clinton, remembered when he passed poppy's nafta, remembered when he stated he wouldn't investigate Iran-contra, BCCI scandal any further, especially poppy's role in it. Why should I care how many people are for him? Am I supposed to hop on the bandwagon?

As someone stated before on a thread "we get a few sips from a cup of poison, instead of downing it at one time." I am no new democrat, i am no third way democrat nor a DLC democrat.

"You lay with dogs you get up with fleas." You surround yourself with those you appointed, like rahm, like summers, like geithner, like panetta, like Patreaus, you think there's going to be a different result? So, much for cleaning house of the little boot's sycophants, especially in the military and justice department. "Same as it ever was."

but I'm in his corner 100%!!!!

Since you won't actually post a link, most people think you are making up numbers in your head. Oh and don't give me a one-liner reply. Until you show proof, nobody will believe you and will ridicule your OP (as witnessed).

Do you just love coming off and insincere on purpose? If so, then you are doing a GREAT job! :eyes:

Pathetic. :eyes:

and meticulous. Which made him seem overall, that much more insincere in my book.

He knows what he is doing...good thing he is amusing in some ways. The Nader hating is the BEST imo, makes me laugh for days! :rofl:

CNN poll: renominate Obama jumps 9 points, now 81 percent.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x799534

Things are looking up, up and UP!

The equation of Left = Dem lets folks like you shovel propaganda into people heads.