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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:27 PM Original message |
Do you believe the banks and Wall Street acted criminally ? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Banks knew exactly what they were doing and BFEE let them go on doing it. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. Indeed. 2004. Statute of limitations: 7 years. Okay. We can look at this now. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. And when they can't wait, they make their criminality retroactively legal. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. I remember that debate between RFK Jr. And Don Blankenship |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Last time I checked, forgery was a crime |
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LonePirate (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. So is fraud involving securities or otherwise. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Criminals. And yes. THEY KNEW. |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. Maybe I'm confused ... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. As in criminal acts. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. They knew. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
7. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. They didn't make these acts legal. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. what's the difference? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. Yes. & close enough investigation of this would find others. |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. Not every institution can be painted with such a broad stroke. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. So your answer is no. |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. My answer is, the phrase 'the banks' is too broad to be answered. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. Why, yes, yes I do... |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
11. Lose-lose: |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. To paraphrase Matt Groening: "Oh my yes." |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. Of course not... |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. The law is very clear on this. |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. If it's so clear |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. There are dozens and dozens of lawsuits winding their way through courts right now. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. Very probably. Big problem, however, is the "beyond a reasonable doubt" thing. (nt) |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
17. normal practices under rules rigged by their political prostitutes in DC nt |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
18. Believe is the wrong word. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
19. ahem...this sign explains a lot. :^) |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
20. It's only fraud if the buyer was misled. It's gambling. Both sides of the bet assume risks, or so |
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LonePirate (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. The AAA ratings given to those CDOs is pretty indicative of fraud to me. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Correct, and they were bribing the ratings agencies for those fake ratings. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. There is no doubt that the accounting firms should be prosecuted. |
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SomethingFishy (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Ahh but they bought insurance against those CDO's.. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
23. They knew they were peddling fraudulent securities when they bundled mortgages. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
54. A bundled CDO is not, de facto, fraudulent. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. "You come after us and you won't raise enough money to be re-elected!" |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
26. In talking with each other |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
28. Yes. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. Investment banks, mortgage wholesalers, mortgage brokers, salesmen, & applicants were criminals |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Yep. |
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JNinWB (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
53. Agree. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. does a bear shit in the woods? n/t |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
36. When they bought Congress to make it legal, yeah. Repealing Glass-Steagall and the |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
37. here |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
38. There's no doubt.....Just watch 'Inside Job'. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
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2pooped2pop (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
41. It was a planned effort of GREED GREED Greed |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
42. "Didn't know"? Bwaahahahahahahaha!!!!! Best laugh all day. |
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dtexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. Well, duh. I think they knew it was against the law. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
45. Here's what I know I know and know I don't know |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
47. If they didn't |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
48. Criminal intent could be easily demonstrated IMO. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
49. acted criminally, beyond any shade of doubt |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
51. Criminals |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
52. I think at some point they crossed over into deliberate fraud... |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
55. For a conservative, there is only one crime: |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
56. My President said they did not break any laws.... |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
58. Yes. It was fraud of every conceivable kind |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
59. They *knew* it was a bubble, that much is certain |
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