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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:42 PM Original message |
Vertical farming skyscrapers. Who says you can't feed the world? |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Make it so. K & R. n/t |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. +1 |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
168. Sci-Fi movies should start featuring this kind of stuff regularly. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
177. 1 |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Link? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I added a couple of links |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Thanks. Sadly, it doesn't take (even the progressives) very long to poo-paw any idea. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The negative responses are depressing. |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I agree. Yesterday, I posted an article for a personal helicopter using small turbines and |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. I saw that post |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
132. Hey wait a sec... |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #132 |
143. I saw it. I know that everyone isn't negative. Keep up the good optimism. |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. Just what the world needs, vertical factory farming. nt |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. That's exactly what it needs |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. As long as it were organic, free range farming that would be fine |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. Let me know when one of these gets built on the scale shown |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
5. Like we're going to build millions of skyscrapers in the middle of a depression |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Can the world afford not to have something like this? 7 billion people and all... |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Yes, it can unfortunately |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Not all at once and we won't be in any depression forever, although for what it's worth |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So was the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, as well as the Hoover Dam |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. And the Tennessee Valley Authority. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. The problem is that we don't have much time left to implement these solutions |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. This is not the be all of answers, it's just one of many changes, approaches and strategies needed |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #46 |
146. You must admit that vertical farms have to be in the mix of answers |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-09-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #146 |
181. Yes I do agree with your post, vertical farms should be in the mix, I also believe |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #181 |
184. That's another benefit I hadn't thought of |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
97. Japan and ROK as well. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
119. they already are. they are building entire cities which are sustainable. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
161. What is this "sustainable" you keep talking about? No city is "sustainable," if by sustainable you |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. luckily, you are wrong. By sustainable I mena entirely not connected to the grid |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. show me this sustainable city you say exists and tell me where the water comes from, |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. google it. there are 6 of them. An American designer designed them. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. Here is one from 2005.not the ones I was talking about. The |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. no one lives in that city. it's planned to be built from scratch on an island in the shanghai |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. McDonough must be the designer I read about. Obviously corruption is |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. I asked you to show me a functioning eco-city, since you said they're functioning now, |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #119 |
164. We have some solar garbage bins in Chicago. |
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waddirum (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
127. How about existing (but vacant) skyscrapers and buildings |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't see the point. The world already produces enough food for everyone, and |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. +1 |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. If there's enough food then why are people starving? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. So African nations are going to pony up the money to build these? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. WTF! |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. What makes you think that Africa can't grow its own food in the usual way instead of in skyscrapers? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. This subject is not about who controls everything |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Why would you think that a food skyscraper would change who controls food? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
121. BULLSHIT. The entire point is local sustainability, whether in the US or anywhere. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. And why would you think that the people with the money to build a food skyscraper are interested |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Why are you changing the conversation? |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. I don't know what conversation you're talking about. The conversation about how great |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Maybe because we already let them starve? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. That's simply not true. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. It IS true. And food aid & the suppression of domestic agriculture & our fucking wars |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
122. Truth is the half-million dead Somalians we just let starve to death |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. no, it was the terrorists who let them starve to death |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. Yes, & so how does growing lettuce in a skyscraper get food to them? |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-09-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
182. They don't just grow lettuce |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Except not everyone gets the food. I'm sure you've heard of the famines in Africa |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. It decreases the building footprint |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
62. Decreases the building footprint? How so? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. Let's say you have a 30 story building |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Thanks for that input! |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. So this building isn't using the same inputs as growing the same food in dirt would? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I didn't say it wasn't using some of the same inputs, |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #93 |
124. There's no benefit to the food skyscraper that couldn't be achieved by people growing food in their |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
120. I disagree. Food is trucked from country to country. Food grown locally means |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. Food is trucked from country to country because of the dictates of the economic oligarchy |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. Why do think there is an occupy movement all over the country? Ask them? |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #129 |
139. I repeat: who do you think is going to finance your skyscraper & give the |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Historically, asking the ruling group to change is not the way change happens. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. I don't think change happens by asking the ruling group to build food skyscrapers either. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #135 |
153. because gowing vertically is possible in urban areas where there is not enough |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #153 |
172. it doesn't use less water. plants have the same water requirement whether vertical |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
131. We do now. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. You do realize that the PTB have been saying the same thing since Victorian times, right? |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
140. Your post is uninformed. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #140 |
147. Good info, thanks |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-09-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #140 |
183. I can grow food in my back yard with no chemicals and a sack of manure once a year |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
9. This circular design would also be more aerodynamic which I believe would improve the building's |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Building could be made to rotate so all sides get direct sunlight |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. and lower transportation costs for fresh veggies right in the city. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. I believe with the increased development and usage of nano technology, you won't need to rotate |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. don't be discouraged, this is a beautiful thing. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
65. A rotating building likely means the energy cost is higher than the food energy you'd get from it. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
142. While I like the idea |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #142 |
144. They are already planning such buildings in Dubai, not for farming |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #144 |
165. Interesting |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. I *really* hate to play the fear card, but |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Can you think of anything that couldn't be a target for terrorists? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
49. How about every other large building in existence? |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
52. Those pesky terrorists ruin everything! |
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soapboxtalk (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
20. There's a much easier way |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. With skyscrapers the people working them can go home at night |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Floating hydroponic farms on that scale somehow aren't huge or expensive? (nt) |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. seeing the farm animals in a sky scraper is a bit bizarre... |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
26. Why not just decrease world population? It solves all of the rest of the problems as well. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. As societies develop; it has the secondary effect of lowering the birth rate. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. You do know that we can do more than one thing at time don't you? |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
109. Because it's impossible without draconian measures and forced sterilization. |
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Abin Sur (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
151. How? Details, please. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
27. How will they get the cows way up there? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Really? |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
74. I was kidding. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. OK! LOL! |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Angel wings. n/t |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Fair trade trebuchets. (nt) |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Fruitful Future Flingers. n/t |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. Wings, man, wings! Haven't you ever heard of GM cows? |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
64. Red Bull |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
67. Oh, ye of little faith.... |
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FrodosPet (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
76. That's easy! |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
89. And most people won't want to live upwind from the cows |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
118. push the building under them when they jump over the moon, silly. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
30. This was featured heavily in the History Channels show 2100.... |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
34. that certainly would be pretty to look at |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
40. Looks like something Walt Disney would have concocted for his E.P.C.O.T. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
41. rec. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
43. K&R! Very cool ideas here! n/t |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
47. K and R |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
51. This should be tested out immediately in the Horn of Africa. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. It would be a lot easier to use the large buildings for apartment blocks and use... |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. Some of the designs have them being used for both |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
149. That defeats the entire purpose of vertical farming |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
61. Still a lot of technical problems |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. So isn't that understood? |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
150. Unfortunately you are wrong about everything in your post |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
159. Dwarf grains specifically for use in spacecraft with hydroponics |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
63. Here's my question: If the world's population doubles, How do we expect the world's wealth to double |
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
75. This reminded me of something from a few years back..... |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. That's cool! |
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Yes, thanks. Your post inspired me to do a search. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
82. Are those cows? Did I see a picture featuring COWS??? Um, that's just silly... |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Is that a photo of your vertical garden at work? |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Almost, it's called a Solar Curve and it's the model for one we are building. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #91 |
101. That way beyond cool. It's downright ingenious. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #91 |
152. Love it! |
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Moostache (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
83. Better hope the Chinese are doing the research.... |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 04:04 AM Response to Reply #83 |
141. So in other countries people don't care about who their neighbor sleeps with? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
85. But, But... |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
86. Nice to dream |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. In time it would feed the world |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #87 |
155. In time we're all dead. Not enough time, not enough energy. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
90. That is totall awsomeness. I see it's pissed the Luddites off, though. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
92. This is very cool. I love this kind of ingenuity. Disappointing how many naysayers are here (nt) |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. We'll do it without them, then welcome them after proving it can be done. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
94. gucci food. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #94 |
103. You're wrong. These farms would be self sustainable |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #103 |
133. I suspect you have never worked on a farm or nursery or greenhouse. |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
138. what do you mean by "self-sustainable"? About 50% of american's calories |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
154. Don't let the 'niggling nabobs of negativity' get you down - thanks for posting this! |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
96. Yeah, one missile to those things and they're destroyed. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. And, depending on their location... |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Can you explain how controlling population growth is a simple answer |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Seriously? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. My point is about the 'simple' part of your statement |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #110 |
145. So you claim that mass, global forced sterilization is a 'simple |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
115. Or that I live in constant fear. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #96 |
104. Living in constant fear must be hard |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. I'm not living in fear. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Objecting to innovations that could feed billlions of people on the basis |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Expecting those things to thrive and feed billions... |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
98. Hydroponically grown produce could work this way. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #98 |
106. Labor intensive means people would have jobs doesn't it? |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
99. interesting |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
100. Joke |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
107. I've been obsessed with the sustainable living movement |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I've been very excited about this for years too |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
112. It's inevitable. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I hope you're right. This may be the time for that idea to take off. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-05-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
134. k&r n/t |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
148. Awsome...nt |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
156. Talk about VERTICAL. What if each floor of the skyscraper had one of these? |
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humus (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. fortune of the land |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive |
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Laluchacontinua (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #156 |
173. That is a system which probably uses more in inputs than it produces in food energy. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
160. we can already feed the world if ag giants and our crop subsidies didn't put Third World farmers out |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
167. Gorgeous, inspiring, Creative. Sci-Fi movies need to start pushing this concept. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-06-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
170. If we all stopped (or vastly reduced) eating meat, we already could. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #170 |
176. My wife and I have done just that |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
174. You don't need that to feed the world, |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-07-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #174 |
178. If we don't need vertical farms then how will we feed the people with global climate change near? |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-09-11 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
180. Texas drought has caused an estimated $5.2 billion in crop and livestock losses |
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