If Libya was progressive, prosperous and advanced compared to any nation in Africa or Eastern Europe

Boojatta

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Sat Nov-05-11 02:25 PM
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If Libya was progressive, prosperous and advanced compared to any nation in Africa or Eastern Europe

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while Gaddafi was in power, then how was a significant number of people in Libya influenced to protest and then fight against the government of Libya? How do we know that something similar might not be planned for Iran? Why, when Iran is the topic, is the focus on a possible military attack from the outside, with little or no focus on what could happen inside Iran before there is a military attack from the outside?

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RUMMYisFROSTED

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Sat Nov-05-11 02:29 PM
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1. Dictators don't equal "progressive, prosperous and advanced ."

:shrug:

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pampango

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Sat Nov-05-11 04:15 PM
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6. The "benevolent dictator" myth lives strong in countries not ruled by dictators.

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bluestate10

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Sat Nov-05-11 04:21 PM
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7. In the minds of some here at DU they do. nt

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Poll_Blind

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Sat Nov-05-11 02:35 PM
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2. Operation Ajax, our 1953 coup against the Democratic government of Iran, explains much.

You can learn more about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat">here. Or, if you'd like to see how the mechanics of such a thing work in more modern times, you can view http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144">The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, which covers the coup against Hugo Chavez.

PB

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Boojatta

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Sat Nov-05-11 02:55 PM
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3. It's always helpful to have references to related facts placed conveniently at hand in a thread.

I am interested in your answer to the following question:

Why, when discussing Iran of the years 2001 to 2014, is the focus on a possible military attack from the outside beginning during or after the discussion, with little or no focus on what could happen inside Iran (during or after the discussion) before there is a military attack from the outside?

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Poll_Blind

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Sat Nov-05-11 03:03 PM
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4. Because the goal is not Democratization. The goal is destabilization.nt

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leveymg

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Sat Nov-05-11 03:50 PM
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5. Libya and Iran are most different in the sense that Iran is more nation and Libya was a tribal state

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ruled over by a charismatic strong man. Iran's President is weak by comparison, and power is intentionally diffused within the government, bureaucracy and military, the potential ambitions of which is itself checked by the IRGC. Iran is also united by a powerful religious establishment that frankly doesn't exist in Libya.

Those are some major differences that explain why "regime change" can't proceed according to the same model.

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Laluchacontinua

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Sat Nov-05-11 04:23 PM
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8. That area of Libya had long been an opposition area & carefully nurtured by the west as well.

Regional/tribal/historic division. Akin to the US south v. north, maybe. Or whites v. indians.

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Arctic Dave

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Sat Nov-05-11 04:32 PM
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9. You can ask that same question about the US.

Countries are not monolithic, so all you have to do is motivate the opposition with whatever they want to hear. The great part is, when it is all over, you don't have to produce any results.

Sound familiar?

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Boojatta

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Sat Nov-05-11 04:48 PM
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10. Are you giving the US the role of Libya or the role of Iran?

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Arctic Dave

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Sat Nov-05-11 07:53 PM
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11. Any country in the world.

You asked, if Libya was a progressive country then how did they get people to protest and want to overthrow the government. How? The same reason we have people who become enraged about having a single payer healthcare system or continuously vote against there own self interset. Libya and Iran are no differnet then us and we are no different then them.

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