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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:03 PM
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The Administration lied to make it easier to shut down Wikileaks.
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 09:52 PM by snot
From http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/01/18/so-amazon-visa-paypal-was-it-worth-accepting-government-lies/ :

The Administration lied, says a congressional official, to make it easier to shut down Wikileaks.

Now that’s important for several reasons. First, all this time the government has been pretending that the series of decisions by private corporations to stop doing business with Wikileaks were made by the businesses on their own. Surprise surprise (not!), it seems that the government was affirmatively trying to shut down Wikileaks.

Just as importantly, Hosenball’s story seems to suggest, the government was going to service providers–the same service providers they routinely go to on terrorist investigations–and lying to get them to do the government’s bidding. The government was making claims about the damage of the leak to convince service providers to shut down Wikileaks.

And companies like Amazon, Visa, and PayPal complied.

Actually, per the source quoted, this info was confirmed by two congressional aides (not one).
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:09 PM
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1. I know I have a personal stake in all this.
If the Administration is too comfortable participating in cover-ups, I have no hope of seeing justice.

And neither does anybody else.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:27 PM
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2. For anyone who can use it, here's more info:
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 09:53 PM by snot
(With permission. Original with links to supporting sources at http://www.c-cyte.com/The_Case_for_Wikileaks.html )

The Case for Wikileaks

The original version of this essay appeared on 2010-12-11.

We are living in times of extraordinary incursions against the rightful entitlements, powers, and freedoms of ordinary citizens. The U.S. Congress and other authorities have acquiesced in, among other things:

* Routine secret service and police violations of First Amendment rights, including preemptive round-ups and detentions of legitimate, peaceful protesters (see various posts here, esp. here <"Police Prepare for RNC by Pre-Emptively Detaining 50 Potential Protestors, Journalists, & Lawyer"> and here <"Mind-Boggling Pre- RNC Police State Action"> and sources cited therein);
* Wholesale NSA/AT&T violations of Fourth Amendment and privacy rights, including mass wire-tapping and mining of e-mails of U.S. citizens (see various posts here and sources cited therein);
* Gross TSA and other governmental or quasi-governmental violations of Fourth Amendment and privacy rights, including unreasonable, invasive searches without the least pretext of the Constitutionally-required probable cause (see posts here and sources cited therein);
* The institution of policies of kidnapping, torture, and assassination of U.S. citizens and others (see, e.g., here <"Confirmed: Obama authorizes assassination of U.S. citizen," Salon>, here <"Extraordinary rendition by the United States," Wikipedia>, and here <"Outsourcing Torture," The New Yorker>);
* The invasion of Iraq based on lies; the under-regulation and -enforcement of laws to protect human health and the environment, resulting in such disasters as the BP spill; the bail-outs of megabanks and misdirection of inordinate portions of the stimulus toward the top 2%, at the expense of the truly needy and deserving; etc.

The extent of these depredations is shocking; yet they're becoming the new norm. And apart from a few bit-part scapegoats, no one has been held to account; indeed, for the most part, they have not even been investigated by the media, let alone by Congress or other governmental agencies. Talk about the terrorists winning. And similar incursions are taking place in many other so-called democracies.

Knowledge is power, and a balance of power requires a balance of knowledge. The way things are now, governments and corporations know everything about us and we know almost nothing important about them.

There have been periods in the past when the traditional media did a better job of fulfilling their proper function as the "watchdog of democracy." But they haven't been doing that for some while (see, e.g., "leaked reports back up what Iraq vets have been telling journalists for years, only to be ignored" ).

I do not condemn individual journalists in the traditional media, most of whom probably act in good faith and certainly are over-extended and underpaid. But, leaving the internet aside for the moment, the vast majority of traditional media worldwide are directly or indirectly controlled by a handful of large corporations (see "Concentration of media ownership" at Wikipedia and sources cited therein). Resources for real reporting have been hollowed out, and most truly "liberal" journalists were driven out years ago. As a result, wittingly or not, much if not most of the traditional media functions mainly to "catapult the propaganda," as the second Pres. Bush put it, controlling the national agenda by echoing talking points originated by conservatively-funded think tanks and disseminated by Faux News et al.

As for the internet, the powers that be are already well on their way to controlling most of that, too; among other things, witness the latest proposed FCC regulations and this article about proposed legislation to give the U.S. President the legal power to "kill" the Internet; see also Lawrence Lessig re- the "iPatriot Act" and "Governments' moves to control the web." (UPDATE: See also "Why the Internet is a Great Tool for Totalitarians."

Before publishing any portion of the U.S. Embassy cables or the Afghan War Diary, Wikileaks invited the State Dept. and the Pentagon, respectively, to review the leaked documents and recommend redactions of any identifying details that might put individuals in danger (see Glenn Greenwald at Salon here and here). Both invitations were categorically refused.

With respect to the cables, Wikileaks is working with the major newspapers of the world to carefully vet and redact everything it publishes, and it has published nothing that has not been published by one or more of those newspapers. As of this writing, less than one percent of the entire cache of 251,287 cables have been pubished (Salon, CNN).

Since Wikileaks was founded in 2006, not a single person is known to have been physically harmed as a result of any Wikileaks disclosure, ever. (UPDATE: Per the BBC, even the Pentagon has reluctantly confirmed, "e have yet to see any harm come to anyone in Afghanistan that we can directly tie to exposure in the Wikileaks documents"; and per Reuters, Congressional aides say the State Department has told members of Congress privately that WikiLeaks' publications have been "'embarrassing but not damaging.'")

In contrast, as of this writing, the number of Coalition soldiers who have died because of the lies used to justify invading Iraq, conservatively counted, are nearing 5,000 (see icasualties.org), Iraqi deaths are nearing 1.5 million (see Just Foreign Policy), and the U.S. has spent over $1 trillion (see the National Priorities Project here). And Wikileaks' publications have revealed many other actions by governments and corporations that have brought needless death and destruction.

I believe that too much information is better than too little. I have more faith in our ability as a species to collectively sort through the info and interpret it helpfully, than I have in the likelihood that any smaller group of individuals entrusted with the power to pick and choose what we should know, without meaningful oversight, will fail to abuse that power.

(As Assange has said, "hich country is suffering from too much freedom of speech? Name it. Is there one?").

Some have argued that Wikileaks' publication of State secrets is as bad as our governments' and big businesses' invasions of the privacy of U.S. citizens; but this is a false equivalency. I don't have the power to act on behalf of or make decisions affecting the welfare of millions of other people; and if I did, again, I should not also have the power to unilaterally decide what they get to know about it.

Some argue that Wikileaks' work is not REAL journalism and so should not be afforded the same First Amendment protection as other news media.

Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the corporate media in the U.S. FAILED to report the fact that the aluminum tubes claimed by the Bush admin to have been purchased for use in a nuclear weapons program were in fact ill-adapted for such use and were more likely purchased for other reasons (I heard that fact mentioned only on the BBC). Indeed, rather than verifying the Bush admin's claim, The NYT chose to publish Judith Miller's completely uncritical – if not complicit – story, "U.S. Says Hussein Intensifies Quest for A-Bomb Parts" – a story substantially based on the deliberate leaking of classified information by Scooter Libby, chief of staff of Vice President Dick Cheney. If what Wikileaks does isn't journalism, I only wish The NYT and other corporate media did more non-journalism.

The corporate media are also the "journalists" who failed to analyze Bush admin claims far enough to realize that a half-dozen specious reasons to invade Iraq did not add up to one good one – something obvious to the millions who demonstrated against the invasion in "the biggest global peace protests before a war actually started" ("Protests against the Iraq War," Wikipedia)

There simply is no principled basis for distinguishing Wikileaks' publications from those of The NYT and other newspapers.

In truth, we should ALL be journalists, helping to analyze the facts and to decide what warrants further investigation; but to do that, we must ALL have access to the truth.

Some argue the information published by Wikileaks isn't important enough to justify the breach of secrecy. What do they say to the U.S. agents who warned of the possibility of 9/11 but were ignored, who believe that that tragedy might have been prevented if there'd been something like Wikileaks to leak to (The Los Angeles Times)?

How about the needless gunning down by U.S. military forces of a Reuters cameraman and Iraqi innocents shown in the leaked "Collateral Murder" video? Or, limiting inquiry to the U.S. Embassy cables, what about the revelations that six months before the worldwide economic meltdown, the governor of the Bank of England was secretly proposing a bailout of the world's biggest banks funded by nations such as the U.S.; or that the British government secretly assured the U.S. that it had "put measures in place to protect your interest during the UK inquiry into the causes of the Iraq war"; or that the U.S. dismissed British objections about secret U.S. spy flights taking place from the UK, amid British officials' concerns that the UK would be deemed an accomplice to torture; or that, in response to U.S. pressure, the German government assured the U.S. that it would not follow through on its investigation of the CIA's abduction of a German citizen mistakenly identified as a terrorist, Khaled el-Masri; or that the U.S. threatened the Italian government in order to make sure that no international arrest warrants were issued for CIA agents accused of involvement in the abduction of cleric Abu Omar; or that the U.S. sought assurances from the Ugandan government that it would consult the U.S. before using American intelligence to commit war crimes; or that as of 2009, Shell Oil had infiltrated all the main ministries of the Nigerian government; or that pharmaceutical giant Pfizer paid investigators to unearth corruption links to Nigeria's attorney general so as to pressure him to drop legal action for harm to children from a drug trial; or that government corruption in Afghanistan is rampant (viz. an incident last year when then vice-president Ahmad Zia Massoud was stopped in Dubai while carrying $52m in cash); or that the U.S. seeks to manipulate nations opposed to its approach to global warming; or that the U.S. and China worked together to prevent European nations from reaching an agreement at last year's climate summit; or that the Vatican refused to cooperate with an official Irish inquiry into clerical child abuse; or that BP covered up a giant gas leak in Azerbaijan eighteen months before the Gulf of Mexico disaster? To mention just a few items revealed as of 2010-12-21. (UPDATE: See also Glen Mitchell's "Why Wikileaks Matters" for The Nation, the Electronic Frontier Foundation's "The Best of Cablegate: Where Public Discourse Benefited from the Leaks," Glenn Greenwald's "What Wikileaks revealed to the world in 2010" at Salon, and Wikileaks - A timeline of the top leaks at The Telegraph.)

Which of these things did we have no right to know? Who should decide, and on what basis?

At some point, it's morally wrong not to leak – or, once others have taken the risks of leaking about crimes and corruption at high levels, not to publish.

Powerful people hope we'll believe that Wikileaks and Julian Assange are criminals, even terrorists. But the U.S. and other governments have struggled for months to find some legal violation to charge them with, without success.

To date, the U.S. law most discussed as a possible basis for charges is the Espionage Act, which was used to try to prosecute Daniel Ellsberg for leaking the Pentagon Papers – and in that case, the charges were dismissed by the U.S. Supreme Court. In Wikileaks' case, the argument for a violation of the Espionage Act is even weaker, since (1) Wikileaks has neither stolen nor leaked any information but merely published information others leaked to it, and (2) Wikileaks is not a U.S. citizen or resident.

U.S. officials' best remaining hope is to persuade Bradley Manning, the soldier alleged to have leaked the U.S. cables to Wikileaks, to "confess" something to suggest that Wikileaks actively conspired with him to bring about the leak. As of this writing, they've held Manning for seven months without bail and without a date set for any hearing, in solitary and under conditions so harsh that the United Nations' top anti-torture envoy is now investigating the situation (see reports at Salon and Firedoglake; so far, no confession; but such conditions often induce dementia, so maybe they'll get lucky.)

And as of this writing, notwithstanding Assange's stint on Interpol's "most wanted" list in connection with allegations of sex without a condom, he has yet to be charged with anything (not that such allegations would be relevant, even if the evidence warranted charging him).

The lack of any basis for legal charges has not stopped governments and big businesses from using all their might to try to crush Wikileaks and Assange anyway. They've tried to strangle Wikileaks' presence on the internet through their own cyberattacks (yes, someone did it to Wikileaks before “Anonymous” did it to any of them) and by pressuring Wikileaks' website hosts and domain name registrars to drop Wikileaks; they're trying to starve the organization financially (MC, Visa, PayPal, Bank of America and others have stopped processing donations to Wikileaks, although you can still donate to the KKK even though "a large majority of sources consider the Klan a 'subversive or terrorist organization.'"); and much of the traditional media, particularly in the U.S., are working to bury revelations that Wikileaks has published or to make it and/or Assange look bad enough to make you forget about the governmental and corporate crimes that Wikileaks' publications are revealing.

Some conservative leaders in the U.S. have even called for the assassination of Wikileaks' staff (see, e.g., PeopleOKwithMurderingAssange). One has to wonder what might have happened to Assange by now if he hadn't had his "insurance" file.

The inescapable inference is that governments and big businesses are indeed afraid; but what they fear most is not that we'll be harmed, but that they'll lose their power – what they fear most is not terrorism, but us.

They fear what we might do if we learn the truth.

Because the crimes committed by the powerful and revealed in Wikileaks' publications have resulted in massive and needless death and destruction, and are far, far worse than anything alleged against Wikileaks or Assange.

The Wikileaks people have worked hard for little or no compensation and taken real risks, in the service of bringing greater justice to the world. If Wikileaks survives intact, the power of governments and big businesses to loot and destroy with impunity will be curbed. If Wikileaks is crushed or rendered ineffectual, we are the ones who will lose. Are we such fools that we'll help lynch the messengers, while failing to act on the gifts they've risked so much to bring us?

If Wikileaks can be crushed by the powers that be, we can ALL be crushed. There's just one thing that can stop them: US. If as little as five percent of the people travelling by air over Thanksgiving had refused to submit to invasive searches by TSA, it would have caused such a commotion that those searches would have been ended. If enough of us stand up for Wikileaks, it will be the end – at least for a time – of our governments' and big businesses' efforts to crush those who insist on the right to know what the powerful are doing to us and in our name.

* * * * *

This is a p.r. war at least as much as or more than it is an infowar, so please help promote the info about Wikileaks and the information it's published.
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0_michelle Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:34 PM
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3. Re: Wikileaks
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 09:37 PM by 0_michelle
I believe in transparancy, however some information that might be crucial to our national security should be kept secret, and I will let the military not Wikileaks decide was is considered a threat to our security.

Even if you disagree with the government's action, you cannot deny the possible dangers Wikileaks could have caused. Not just to our security, but our economy. What if crucial stock information was leaked? It is not only illegal and unethical, but it could have caused major unbalances in the economy. What if the reported "leaked" information were untrue? They could potentially cause serious detrimental damage to the said party.

I support confidentially where it is due, and Wikileaks encouraged others to break that trust with no consequence. It is not Wikileaks' decision to decide what private information should be public, and whose business is everyone's business. If they know information crucial to our security then they should alert the proper authorities instead of the masses in those cases.

If you want more transparency in government, which we all can agree on to some extent, then we should charge our lawmakers to be more transparent; and if they do not, we should quit electing the ones that continuously disregard this request.

On a side note, I believe Visa and those other companies pulled out of Wikileaks for fear of hackers accessing important client information, private information best kept confidential.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:49 PM
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4. With all due respect,
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 09:50 PM by snot
Based on highly credible sources (The NYT, Guardian, WaPo, HuffPo, The Nation, et al.), and I believe you are misinformed.

There has been no credible allegation of any kind of hacking Visa et al. or disclosure of their customers' information by or on behalf of Wikileaks.

Alerting "the proper authorities" is no help when the authorities are colluding in the crimes leaked or their concealment.

Electing a more transparent government is also difficult, if you can't first publish the leaks revealing the lies that show the government we've got is NOT transparent.

Please also read the essay referred to above, at http://www.c-cyte.com/The_Case_for_Wikileaks.html and the sources referred to there; I believe you'll find answers to your other objections.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:53 PM
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5. you should trust wikileaks more than the military...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:10 PM
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7. That's completely backwards for a democratic society.
The military nor the government has any business deciding what our press publishes.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:47 PM
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8. What about the dangers to the Iraqi people? Would you be happy
if some terrorist from half way around the world was pushing buttons as if he was playing a video game and sending drones right into your neighborhood?

Why are we there, in other people's countries, killing their children and dehumanizing them as if those children had no right to live? Only OUR security matters when we are the aggressors?

But, aside from all that, no harm came to anyone as a result of the leaks. And that is according to Gates and the Pentagon.

If this country wants to fight eternal wars, then they better tell the truth about them or someone else will.

Crimes of mammoth proportions have been committed. What about the parents in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you think they don't worry about their family's security?

If knowing that any lies they tell will be revealed and there will be consequences for that, maybe they will stay home and not be so confident that they can get away with any crime because they are not accountable to anyone.

What Wikileaks is doing is the job the U.S. media failed to do. HAD they done their job, there might not have been a war.

The cause of the harm to U.S. troops and Iraqis is NOT Wikileaks, it is the fault of those who lied and placed all of them in danger. It is ironic to listen to those who lied this country into war, costing the lives of thousands of U.S. troops and until numbers of Iraqis and Afghans, claim to be worried about the safety of those same troops and innocent civilians. Sorry, but no one is buying their concern. All they have to do is leave and no one will be in danger.

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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:53 PM
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9. "I believe in transparency, but..."
You don't, actually.


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Diana9 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:18 PM
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12. You trust the military more than wikileaks?
Are you speaking of the top Pentagon brass or ordinary military soldiers? Note, it was a U.S. soldier who leaked information to wikileaks that revealed the criminality of our military in Iraq.

Should that be kept secret?




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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:06 PM
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6. Imagine my shock. Rec'd n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:54 PM
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10. K&R
Interesting!

Thanks for posting
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:04 PM
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11. K&R. nt
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