Anyone beginning to get an idea of what all those new prisons were built for?

I think the only real surprise to The Powers That Be is how long it took The People to rise up. Even before Bush and President Cheney got installed, they spoke of the radical, painful change required in order to bring about the new world order they envisioned. The first job was getting their hands on all the money. A couple phony unfunded wars, a couple massive unfunded programs, and of course, HUGE unnecessary tax breaks at a time when the nation was hemmoraging money from said wars and programs, combined with record job losses and plummeting housing values. Once they had all the money, they could begin dismantling the rest of society in order to rebuild it in the grand vision of the oligarchs. Privatize everything, including the voting process, profit from the upheaval, and emerge in complete control at last.

Of course, they are nothing if not meticulous planners and long-range strategic thinkers. Buying up the media first was a good example. Building a bunch of new prisons had to have been part of the plan, as they surely did not expect the people to allow themselves to quietly be crushed. They planned for uprisings, just as they planned to buy the media, planned to take over the voting process, planned to drain the treasury. The Occupy movement may no longer be in its infancy, but it certainly is still in its youth. As the movement grows, so will the government's efforts to restrain it through force. And with each new show of force, the Occupy movement grows. They (cap T) know, they expected, that increasingly violent clashes would be inevitable as the outrage grew. At some point a critical mass would be reached, then all hell would break lose. The Revolution they planned for. The prisons are ready.





Of course, I could be wrong.

I had been a POW camp during WWII, that had supposedly been reactivated. All I found was the Cemetery for the German and Italian prisoners. There were old foundations and some of the area had been converted into an Agriculture Dept. Experimental Station.

I think the whole thing started back then as a Psyops to scare people from protesting.

The Prisons today are real, but, will they be used as a CONUS version of Guantanamo? Good question.

How does the OWS fit into your theory? They just get herded into privatized prisons and the rest of us just go back to sleep?

Where did I even IMPLY that OWS protesters will allow themselves to be herded up? How does OWS fit in? Wow...

Okay, i'll simplify:

Protests were planned for.

OWS is protest.

OWS protests grow with each attempt to crack down.

Clashes become more violent, protests grow even more.

Eventually, full scale revolution.

Lots of revolutionaries put in prison.

But I could be wrong. It's not Iike any such thing has ever happened before. We're special...history doesn't apply to us.

(That last sentence was sarcasm, btw.)

Especially when they haven't got a clue so far as to how to control the OWS. Breaking down encampments and arresting a few has only made it worse for them.

The idea's time is here. How do you arrest an idea?

I can't make it any more clear. I'm not talking about millions of Americans peacefully boarding train cars headed for concentration camps. Sorry I can't help you "get it," or what a real, sustained, growing revolution might bring.

rounding up the populace, and mowing them down in the streets if necessary. I doubt that the uniformed military would be willing to do so.

Meanwhile the rest of the US, its politicians, the POTUS and the regular military whom even you say would not act on such orders, just languish about and take it.

They took care of that by buying up the press. Washington Post, NBC, ABC, etc. became useless.

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Most people do not. The prisons may have been built out of graft, as one poster opines, and I agree with that. But they are built, and they are a resource, and it would be silly to think that the resource will not be utilized at some point in the future. prison is a profit business now in the NWO. The drug war keeps them buzzing, but remember that corporations are required to provide ever increasing profits.

It took more than a decade to put the pieces in place to undermine the New Deal banking and mortgage protections the people enjoyed and ignored. Once the changes had been made, it took very little time for organized wealth to steal a mind boggling massive amount of money. And they got away with it. I expect the next plan from them to be more bold and even more disastrous for us.

Whatever it will be, it will not be pretty. Anyways, prisons will be involved, I expect.

When you see these high-tech prisons being demolished is when you can start to not worry about them.

A) blithely unaware despite being POTUS

B) held hostage despite being POTUS

C) a co-conspirator despite being voted into office by progressives


gawd I hope nobody outside DU sees this thread.

Are you really thinking I'm talking about this as if it is on some sort of timeline approved by the Obama administration? Are you really so ignorant as to believe the government -- regardless of who sits in the Oval Office -- doesn't have a plan to deal with a massive citizen uprising or revolution? Really? Or are you capable of envisioning things only a couple of weeks out, and think I'm only talking about plans to break up the current OWS protests? You need to think bigger. I can promise you, they are.

leaves office it still means the preparations are occurring during his tenure.

Either the President voted for by you and I (I assume you voted for Obama over McCain) and supported by this forum is a completely oblivious doofus or he's a co-conspirator. Ditto his entire staff and cabinet.

You're also suggesting these prisons are being built with government funds appropriated by both houses of congress and not even Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kiucinich or the dozens of other solid progressives can blow the whistle. Wow! We support soooo many blithering idiots and traitors! Won't any of our elected officials save us?!?!? I'm so not sending my Democrat senator any funds next year because obviously he's in on it too.

This is non-sense worthy of World Nut Daily.



I hear Dick Cheney can wiretap the fillings in your teeth -- with his mind!

Dick Cheney can wiretap my teetth? Why can't you just present a cogent argument without resorting to such extreme ridiculousness? You still seem utterly clueless, and are still making a case I never came close to making, that there are people sitting in back rooms right now figuring out how to ship OWS protesters off to jail...that's your delusion, not mine. But, oh, wait...the mayors of 18 of the largest OWS protest sites DID meet via conference call, allegedly with DHS guidance, to coordinated strategies for a nationwide crackdown on OWS, but I digress.

You still are being totally myopic in your thinking, wanting everything to fit neatly into NOW, like Bernie Sanders is sitting back voting on this. Totally small-minded thinking. Do you really deny the nation lacks a plan for dealing with mass protests and insurrection, and has in fact had such a plan for decades, not just since our current administration? Are you really that much of a Pollyanna to believe that there isn't a contingency plan to cover national emergencies? That everyone is sitting back watching the protests and that NO ONE has discussed what steps to take if this all gets out of hand? And you think I'm the one spouting nonsense? The prisons we're talking about, btw, which are documented and which have been discussed many times here on DU and in the media, apparently while you were in The Lounge discussing Dancing With The Stars, are largely private-industry projects. They didn't require the vote of Bernie or Dennis.

Look, you believe what you want. Go on believing our country would never move against its own citizens. Ask the kids at Kent State how that worked out for them. Or read a history book.

Yeah, actually, you do. Make up your mind. Is there a conspiracy amid 18 mayors (how many of those are Democrat/progressive, BTW) or am I delusional for claiming you're paranoid over a conspiracy?



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Proof-reading for content never hurts.

Contingency plans are one thing. Every government has them, yours would too. Accusing hundreds of liberal political leaders passively accepting such a state of affairs is another matter altogether. The fact is, nobody is going to round you up in the middle of the night. There are no black stealth helicopters silently hovering overhead. Ideas of chem trails are more often then not chemically induced themselves.

It doesn't matter if those prisons are or are not privately constructed. Such a hare-brained scheme would require military scale power to affect and the military works at the orders of the POTUS. And since you're obviously all a-twitter about OWS "getting out of hand" that would imply the current POTUS -- who, by the way, is Obama -- would have to be part of the contingency plan, otherwise the plan is worthless. You also specifically indicted DHS which, as self-mocking as that place is, is also under the purview of President Obama.



Lots of things get discussed often at DU. Have you seen the 9/11 dungeon? *whistles*

Instead of just slinging around your thesaurus as a substitute for soud argument why not actually take a moment to consider the practical and political details involved in such a proposed undertaking. The idea immediately becomes absurd on its face.

If you're still worried about the big, bad government hauling you out of your home in the middle of the night I'm sure there is a patriot militia somewhere near you. I hear their handing out posters of Sarah Palin in a bikini and holding an assault rifle as an enlistment incentive.

Who the hell ever said anything about conspiracy theories and black helicopters? Not me, YOU. Who talked about "rounding people up?" Not me, YOU. Where are you getting this "conspiracy theory" stuff? I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy. I never did, and I never alluded to any conspiracy theory. You're just either incapable of comprehending a simple post, or are not too backed into a corner with your ridiculous defense of your stupid attacks on me that you can't do anything but dig yourself deeper. AGAIN, I never once wrote anything about "rounding people up." Nothing like that, YOU went there, not me. That is your delusion, not mine. All your talks of secret back room meetings and the president signing off on stuff...I just never said any of that. You pulled it out of your ass and are now trying to attribute it to me.

You go on and keep denying that the country is veering toward revolution, and keep on telling yourself that no one in our government has drawn up any contingency plans for when/if it escalates to a tipping point. Just keep deluding yourself, pretend it's all okay, and those same secret chambers you accuse me of inventing will suddenly have to convene on a moments notice to figure out what to do next. Yeah, that's the way it works. You're not mocking me, believe. You're mocking yourself and looking very foolish. If you want to discuss what I actually wrote, and stop making up bullshit about secret chambers and black helicopters and rounding people up, I'd be happy to try to have an intelligent discussion with you. But from what I've seen you post so far, I fear that would be impossible.

First you complain I fabricate stuff and attribute it to you --



And then you say the stuff I fabricate and attribute to you will, in fact, actually convene --



You sound very confused. Apart from the fact prisons are being built you have no real details.

You claim, "the country is veering toward revolution." Assuming this premise (I don't. OWS is good but it's no revolution) that means Obama may be sitting in the Oval Office, "when/if it escalates to a tipping point." Who has the ultimate power/authority to provide the "Go" order to start filling these prisons with would-be revolutionaries?

Just try and answer that 1 simple question.

...but your inability to read a simply sentence is part of what is tripping you up. How the hell are the two quotes opposite of each other? My guess is that I needed to put "... and THAT those same secret chambers..." in the second quote to make you understand. But I doubt it. You don't want to understand. You're just defending your bullshit at this point, and can't possibly back down and realize I never said any of the crap you keep making up. Okay, I'll type slowly so maybe you can comprehend...You see, you made up some bs about secret chambers and back room conspiracies about rounding people up, and attributed it to me. Right? We can prove that just by reading my op and seeing that I never said anything remotely close to that.

So I turn it back on you and say your imaginary secret chambers will have to convene on a moments notice in order to figure out what to do next. You know, because according to you, the government has no contingency plans for national emergencies, so it will require your secret chambers to figure out how to quell an uprising should one occur. Get it? Of course you don't, because you're making shit up as you go along.

The statements you quoted aren't mutally exclusive, they're part of the same mocking of you and your inability to read a simple fucking sentence. And you keep getting back to this premise -- which I never presented, only you did -- that Obama, or anybody for that matter, is just sitting in a room waiting to call in the order to round people up. Where do you get this shit? Why are you just making stuff up out of thin air, pulling bullshit premises out of your ass? You have absolutely no ability to think beyond the one stupid premise you created to pin on me, which I never said. How many times do I have to repeat it? I NEVER SAID ANY OF THE CONSPIRACY SHIT YOU KEEP ATTRIBUTING TO ME. You made it up! I am talking about such a broader, more long-term scale, and you're stuck on the idea that everything I'm talking about relates to OWS and Obama. You believe that maybe next week, OWS protesters will just go home and have a beer and laugh about the fun times they had. You deny there is a movement building in the country. That everybody will go home for Christmas, Congress will give the wealthy another tax break, cut our health care benefits and eliminate SS and Medicare, and everyone is just going to sit back and say, "Aw, didn't America used to be cool?" Oh, wait, you don't think that? Then shut the fuck up about black helicopters and rounding people up, and open your goddamn eyes to the world around you.

Like I said, read a history book. You're making Herman Cain and Michelle Bachmann sound like Rhode Scholars.

I wrote --



But whatevs. You seem rather excitable so you probably just overlooked that part. Apparently you can't discern when you're being mocked for sounding like a conspiracy theorist. I know you never mentioned black helicopters or chem trails or any of that stuff. But this idea that private corpoations are building prisons to suppress the population of the US if/when the tipping point of the non-existent revolution occurs is as absurd as black helicopters and chem trails and just as baseless.

When direct questions are put to you, you deliberately ignore them to rail about being mocked. If you defended your arguments as much as you defend your ego your self-image might be justified. Don't complain, you're not exactly Miss Congeniality yourself.

OK, I get it. You never mentioned black helicopters and chem trails. Now please tell us more details about this silly little -- whatever it is -- that has you so worried. Give us something testable, verifiable.

* Who's "they"?

* Who gives the orders?

* Who carries out the orders?

* What are "they" waiting for?

* Why can't Obama or anyone else intercede?

* Who is they? - Who the hell have we been talking about this entire time? Maybe that's why you're so lost and admittedly resorting to making up stuff I never said. I didn't miss your "contingency plans" part, so why do you keep mocking me for saying every government has plans for national emergencies? I say the government has plans in place for national emergencies, you say no, they have "contingency plans," like we're somehow talking about two different things. BTW, considering I've used the word "government" over and over again, you can interpret "they" any way you want -- DHS would be a good place to start, but feel free to make up anything you want. It's worked so well for you so far.

* Who gives the orders? - Who gives what orders? Where did I mention anyone giving any orders?

* Who carries out the orders? - What orders? Where did I mention anyone giving out orders?

* What are "they" waiting for? - Who said anyone is waiting for anything? I certainly didn't. What did you have in mind? Do you think I'm talking about a time an place when the President is going to say, "Okay, let's round up all the rabble and send them to prison?" Like, maybe a week from Thursday around noon? Oh, wait, apparently you do. That is your first problem...a total lack of comprehension, combined with some silly need to conflate everything into a black and white timeline. Sorry I can't help you with that one. You have no interest in actually understanding what I'm talking about, you prefer to make stuff up and then claim I said it.

* Why can't Obama or anyone else intercede? - Intercede in what? Stopping your fantasy black helicopters and round-ups? Remember, those were YOUR statements, and had nothing to do with my op. How many times do I need to repeat that to you before it sinks in?

Let's go back to the OP.

The Occupy movement may no longer be in its infancy, but it certainly is still in its youth. As the movement grows, so will the government's efforts to restrain it through force. And with each new show of force, the Occupy movement grows. They (cap T) know, they expected, that increasingly violent clashes would be inevitable as the outrage grew. At some point a critical mass would be reached, then all hell would break lose. The Revolution they planned for. The prisons are ready.

OWS is happening here and now.

Obama is the chief executive here and now.

Neither poses a threat to the other.

Ergo the prisons aren't for OWS, they're for actual, real criminals.

Maybe I needed a line break after "...the Occupy movement grows." It will not always be "the Occupy movement." It grows, it evolves, as I've stated a dozen times already. Occupy might continue, it might not, but the sentiment, the outrage, will not subside unless there is real changes, unless some of the Wall Street and corporate criminals are put behind bars, unless real reforms are passed and regulations put back in place, unless a fair and equitable tax structure is put back in place and companies are no longer rewarded for shipping jobs overseas. Unless such fundamental changes take place, our society will continue to be ripped apart and tensions will grow and the chances for violent clashes become increasingly likely, if not inevitable.

Your insistence on focusing on today's current Occupy and nothing else, and insisting that I am speaking of Obama personally drawing up plans to round up these particular protesters and ship them off en masse, is just silly and disingenuous. I find it hard to believe you really thought I was speaking only of these specific people at this specific time and place in history. But yeah, I guess some people are way to literal and unable to think outside their own little contracts. Sorry if I confused you so. One more time...read a history book. The first American Revolution didn't happen as a result of a few weeks of campouts. It grew and evolved over YEARS as oppression and unfairness, which became more and more intolerable to the colonists. Likewise, unless things change, this current uprising is far from over.

Your insistence on focusing on today's current Occupy and nothing else, and insisting that I am speaking of Obama personally drawing up plans to round up these particular protesters and ship them off en masse, is just silly and disingenuous.

Um. Dude. You posted in the OP bringing-up OWS. When I don't focus specifically on what you say you claim I'm lying. When I do focus specifically on what you say you claim I'm silly and disingenuous -- as if quoting people's words at length and verbatim is somehow disengenuous. You just yammer about how people reply, not what they say. That's evasiveness and it's a glaring admission that when challenged to provide facts to back up the assertion in your OP, you cannot.

Done. Got it. We have nothing to back-up the OP except your pointless imaginings.

BLUF: The prisons are just prisons. There's no reason to believe they are anything else.

YOU are the only one who mentioned black helicopters and rounding people up. YOU, not me. Whatever. I think you're nuts.

Now please provide evidence on how those prisons are for any purpose other than dealing with actual criminals.

I'm not sure which two Senators, this column is referring as they're not named, I'm assuming one of them is probably Bernie Sanders.

Good post.

Sid

The poster made up all sorts of crap that wasn't in my op, and narrowed it down to three unrelated absolutes, as if those were the only three choices.

nt

Auto-Unrec for lack of verifiable reference.

Sid

1. Apparently the revolution is happening -- NOW! I don't think they can wait another 14 months for the next selected minion to assume control of the White House. That means the fate of the entire scheme rests on Obama's shoulders.

2. Couldn't Obama just order these things scrapped while he is in office?

This is what I'm trying to draw out of the CTers no matter how much they bristle at the label.

Well, that's one way he could do it.

Sid

Please point out where I said the revolution is happening NOW. Please, I beg you. Show me where I said anything was going to happen in the next 14 months, or where I even mentioned Obama. You can't because I didn't. YOU made that up, and Sid is sucking your ass because at least you convinced HIM that that is what I posted. I bristle at any label an outright liar pins on me. NOTHING you keep posting in response to my original threaad is actually even alluded to in my original thread.

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I don't believe its' set in stone but I do believe those PTBs are trying and they're in it for the long haul.

Thanks for the thread, Atman.