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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 07:28 PM
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New York Churches Shelter Occupy Protesters, Now Monitored By New York Police

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New York Churches Shelter Occupy Protesters, Now Monitored By New York Police


With Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I) ratcheting up police crackdowns on Occupy Wall Street this week, the New York Times reports that several churches in New York City are sheltering protesters who can no longer stay in Zucotti Park. About 46 protesters spent Wednesday night in the United Methodist Church of St. Paul and St. Andrew. However, instead of respecting the sanctuary, police in plainclothes are entering churches to monitor their conduct.

According to church officials, two police officers (one later identified as belonging to the intelligence division) asked to use the bathroom but instead “entered the sanctuary, one remaining near the door while the other advanced down the aisle, apparently counting the demonstrators in the pews.” Then, one officer went downstairs to a homeless women’s shelter and “asked for information about who was sleeping there” without identifying himself or showing his badge. The church’s Rev. James Karpen called the police actions “invasive”:

“It is disconcerting that they would actually enter the sanctuary,” said the Rev. James Karpen, known as Reverend K, senior pastor of the United Methodist Church of St. Paul and St. Andrew, on West 86th Street. “Here we had offered hospitality and safety, which is our business as a church; it just felt invasive.” (...)

“They are welcome to come in if they just say who they are,” Mr. Karpen said. “We have never had that kind of issue with the police before. Usually, they are very respectful of church-state issues.”


Church officials said two other police intelligence officers visited earlier in the day, claiming they were following up on “an anonymous report of vandalism,” which, according to the church, had not taken place. The officers warned associate Pastor Siobhan Sargent that they did not want anything to happen to the church and that that was a “risk” with the protesters sleeping there. Sargent replied, “that’s what the church is for.” ..............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/733734/new_york_churches_shelter_occupy_protesters%2C_now_monitored_by_new_york_police/



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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 07:36 PM
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1. "Usually, they are very respectful of church-state issues.” -
with Bloomberg in charge? All of that is out the window ...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 09:20 PM
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2. The ministers "on the ground" need to make sure these behaviors are not
coordinated by the higher ups within the church hierarchy with an eye towards property protection. If that has not happened, then they have every right to ask them to leave.

They were invited in, they can be invited out. The Senior Pastor just has to show them the door, and he should if he no longer wants them in his facility.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:21 PM
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3. What are the other churches?
They used the plural "churches" in the headline.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:50 PM
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4. This is the website for St. Paul and St. Andrew -
http://www.stpaulandstandrew.org/home/

From there you can go to their facebook page and see some updates about the OWS protesters - they are very supportive.
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