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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:50 PM
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If the police keep up like this, somebody's going to die.
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 06:15 PM by Capitalocracy
What happens then?

On edit: I've been reflecting today on the fact that if I were pepper-sprayed in the throat, with the fairly bad case of asthma I live with, I would be very likely to die.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:52 PM
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1. More people show up next time
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 05:54 PM by MedleyMisty
That's how this works. Nonviolent protesters are met with violence, bystanders sympathize with them and become more outraged and radicalized, and eventually they join the protesters. Also, the police will be forced more and more to take a side and the ones with conscience will start to defect.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:52 PM
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2. Let me guess: absolutely nothing
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:54 PM
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3. If some hero ends up giving the ultimate gift for our cause of human freedom,
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 06:20 PM by Fire Walk With Me
it will bust this open like nothing. The world will tremble beneath our outrage. The 1% will cringe and flee.

I am not for this happening: This is a warning to the 1%.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:55 PM
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4. I really, really don't want it to happen, though.
I think we should be outraged enough as it is.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:08 PM
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8. I'm fully with you. However...we are truly at war.
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 06:14 PM by Fire Walk With Me
The bad guys will genuinely enslave us completely and treat us as disposable toys unless we gather in strength and say NO!

Which is what we are doing. Every outrage fans the flames...we can do this peacefully, it is only a question of the force of will, and that will is gathering quite visibly. Watch:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2345680
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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:06 PM
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6. Please, no
No martyrdom. Not saying that you are in any way, shape or form wishing for that to happen, or advocating this in any way, just saying that this kind of talk makes me a bit uncomfortable.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:10 PM
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11. I am utterly uncomfortable with the concept, I merely wish to outline what I see as
the context.

I am physically ill from the violence we have seen thus far. I agree, no martyrs. I post partially as a ward against it. I believe that discussing it can fend it off. Because all TPTB know is violence as establishment of conformity, which is quite obviously ending!
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:46 PM
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22. Martyrs seldom choose to be martyrs.
nt
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:04 PM
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5. A committee will be formed to do an investigation, and there will be lots of hand wringing
That's what happened last time.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:10 PM
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9. The protests subside...see Genoa, 2001
They're building up to it for sure.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:10 PM
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10. How many times have you seen the explanation "suicide by cop?"
How many cops have you seen prosecuted for assisted suicide?
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:11 PM
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12. Along those lines, I think those old, or ill, should have a last testament.
on their bodies. If you are found dead, thinking about its possibility, you would be lionized.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:13 PM
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13. From today's flash march against Wall Street, this is how it is done, PEACEFULLY:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2345680
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LiberalArkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:23 PM
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14. I am about 64 and I would be very happy to be the first to be killed.
When I was just a young pup of 17 or 18 I was ready to be bludgeoned at Selma. I think most of the 70's and 80 year olds would be ready and willing to be at the first of the line. We know that image of a police officer or a military person striking us down would seal the deal for all the younger ones out there, and maybe change our system to what we hoped it was going to be.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:30 PM
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15. A strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can imagine thing?
You're braver than I am.

Here's my question: would I be living in a fantasy world if I thought we could avoid that?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:37 PM
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16. If they know that we are not afraid to die, they have no power over us.
Truly, more people should watch "V for Vendetta" for its core concepts. It is a user's guide to what is occurring, generally (no super-soldiers in our war).
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:49 PM
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18. We are going to die someday.
Might as well be while doing something worthwhile.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 06:45 PM
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17. People have already died from those stinking Tasers. Not much happens in one direction.
All hell breaks loose from the other direction.

It has always been this way. Very maddening.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 07:11 PM
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19. Then somebody else, then another, then more and more. Eventually one side runs out of bodies.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 08:11 PM
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20. Or the will to sustain the fight. (NT)
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 08:26 PM
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21. The police will have to kill us to stop the movement.
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 08:32 PM by backscatter712
If death is what they're determined to cause, then we'll stick around for that.

They will have to kill me.

I refuse to be afraid of the sons-of-bitches anymore.

I want my democracy back, and I will do just about anything to get it.

I already went to jail for the movement. What's giving a little more?

I stand with the Occupy movement TO THE DEATH.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:59 PM
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23. Once the cops and the 1% realize this, they lose.
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Fantastic Anarchist Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:33 AM
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24. A cause not worth dying for is a cause not worth having.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:36 AM
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25. What? Of course they are going to kill us.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:26 AM
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26. I'd be willing to die for it
It's far far beyond one life. This is about survival of the species, survival of the planet. The 1% are killing us and destroying everything. If we do not stand up now, within a generation or two there will be nothing left.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:31 AM
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27. 84-year-old pepper spray victim returned to hospital today with lung problems.
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 02:32 AM by woo me with science
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2347899

Of course, we have already seen fractured skull, ruptured spleen. It is pure luck that they have not killed anyone yet.

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