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N7Shepard Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:48 AM
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I was born in 1980, but I've heard a lot of conservatives say they are
scared this is looking like the 1960s and how they "lost" because things got bloody and violent.

Is that how those dinosaurs really view the world, ie the 1960s were too progressive already?
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:57 AM
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1. High five!
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 12:03 PM by MedleyMisty
I was born in 1980 too!

Here are two links that I'm finding are helping me understand the authoritarian mindset.

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf

http://www.whale.to/b/reich.pdf

The second one is a bit long, so here's a blog post that summarizes it fairly well - http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-Mass-Psychology-of-Fas-by-Dr-Stuart-Jeanne-B-100806-347.html

Also, I would suggest to them that if they don't want to lose because things get bloody and violent, then perhaps they should stop responding to dissent with violence.

I would be such a horrible evil 1%er, lol. My national coordination of response to OWS would be to tell everyone to chill out and don't do anything and don't respond at all, just let the protests go on. No state violence to radicalize the protesters, no pictures of students and 80 year old women being peppersprayed and people in wheelchairs being teargassed and veterans being put in the hospital out on the internets. Actually - I'd tell the mayors to make sure that the police were very nice and accommodating. In other words - no validation of the protests, and no free PR for them. The smart thing to do would be to sit back, laugh, say "I'm oppressing you but there's nothing you can do about it and you can't make me show my hand to the world." and watch as the camps descended into internal drama and public opinion turned against them.

It's what my mayor is doing, and it's working. Our local Occupy takes a lot of hate from residents, and they spend their time arguing about the colors on the website instead of shutting down ports and having massive marches and projecting epic messages onto the skyscrapers downtown and putting out very powerful videos like the one of the UC Davis students shaming their chancellor.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:00 PM
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2. Meh.. If you can remember the sixties, you weren't there..
:evilgrin:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:01 PM
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4. So it really was just all about sex, drugs and rock&roll.
:rofl:

:evilgrin:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:08 PM
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5. You say that like it's a bad thing..
:shrug:

;)
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:40 PM
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7. I sure as hell rememer the '60s, the '50s and the '40s.
Also the '70s and the '80s. I was born in 1939. So, I have lived through 7 decades.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:56 PM
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8. It's a joke, son, a joke..
Based on the preconception of a lot of people who weren't around through the sixties that everyone was blasted out of their minds..




:hi:

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:01 PM
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9. Well, blasted out of their minds is partially true.
I knew plenty who were in the late '60s and early '70s.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:01 PM
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3. Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas.
"Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. . . .

History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of “history” it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.
There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”
― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:13 PM
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6. I was born in 1980 also!
YES, they do fear this because in their minds ANY social change that benefits the citizens instead of corporations is Communism/Socialism, which they hate because they are Fascists.
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