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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 01:53 AM
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There is a "well-funded, well-coordinated campaign to privatize as many schools as possible"
Those are the words of Diane Ravitch, former assistant Secretary of Education of Bush I. Because she is one of the few now fighting for public education, she is fast becoming a target of the education reformers.

Here is more of what she said:

From the Seattle Times:

Historian blasts education reforms

Education historian Diane Ravitch blasted the education-reform movement as a "well-funded, well-coordinated campaign to privatize as many schools as possible" during a sold-out speech in Seattle on Thursday night.

During an hourlong appearance, Ravitch criticized teacher-evaluation systems as "crazy," called the No Child Left Behind Act "the death star of American education" and argued charter schools "divide communities."

"American public education is under attack," Ravitch said. "False claims are made about achievement. False claims are made about teachers. False claims are made about what's needed to improve the schools."

Ravitch, a former assistant secretary of education for President George H.W. Bush and an early champion of education reform, eventually concluded the reform movement was misguided and led by corporations.


In effect there is no one really fighting this stunning move to end public education in America as we know it. We have always had this tradition of a free education for all. It seems as though it has been very easy for the process of its dismantling to continue.

It would, I think, have been different if George Bush had pushed it so hard. I think we would have fought him fiercely on it.

Now the few of us who are speaking out on it are pretty much ignored. In fact I got a message passed to me anonymously that people were getting tired of my gripes about education. Actually it was not said that nicely, it was a vicious thing. So with the new DU3 my posts won't be as noticeable....so that part will be settled.

They are a powerful group, those reformers. They are being very effective using the tons of money that teachers in the public school system don't have. They are using that money to fill school boards with candidates who see things their way. It's happening quickly.

From Huffington Post:

America's Education Reform Lobby Makes Its Presence Known At The Voting Booth

Meet the new education lobby. It's ambitious, expansive and, in some cases, modeling itself after sprawling single-issue lobbying organizations like the National Rifle Association and AARP. The groups, which have in large part been created by hedge fund managers and lapsed government officials, count political operatives inside state legislatures and even the Democratic National Committee among their ranks. And they're using the power of their fundraisers' purses and sophisticated messaging outfits to push their agendas in local and school-board elections across the country.

"We've been trying to win this battle by blogging and making compelling arguments," said Michael Petrilli, executive vice president for the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, which supports charter schools, accountability and tough teacher evaluations.

"That dynamic is changing now," said Petrilli, who used to work at the Education Department official in the George W. Bush administration.


Here is one tactic.

Two of the central reform groups, Democrats for Education Reform and Stand for Children, flexed their muscle in a Denver School Board election earlier this month. The two groups deployed campaign workers and together spent over $150,000 on the race, pushing through a majority that supports their favored reforms such as charter schools and closing down failing schools and backs the tenure of Denver Public Schools superintendent Tom Boasberg.


There are many others groups as well. The reform movement has the undying support of Arne Duncan, who was appointed by President Obama as Secretary of Education. Also the Clinton Global Initiative helped launch the international version of Teach for America. It is called Teach for All

Bill Clinton and former Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain announced Teach for All’s founding at the 2007 meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative, but the group has gotten little media attention. On Thursday, Ms. Kopp is to review the network’s growth in a speech at this year’s New York meeting of the Clinton initiative.

The countries in the program, which has a two-year commitment similar to Teach for America’s and a similar focus on needy schools, are Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Chile, China, Colombia, Estonia, Germany, India, Israel, Latvia, Lebanon, Malaysia, Pakistan, Peru and Spain. Ms. Kopp said local social entrepreneurs in many other nations were working to recruit teachers.


So public education and public school teachers are being attacked from all sides.

I talked recently with a mother of a kindergartner who is reading at 4th and 5th grade level at a charter school. He sounds like a typical child in kindergarten otherwise. He wiggles, he squirms, he doesn't keep constant eye contact with the teacher. Instead they have a system they follow without deviation. There is the usual click of a button, and one chance to get total attention back.....or a monitor comes and takes them out of the room. This probably gifted child goes home every day kind of sad that he is not making his teachers proud.

For goodness sake he is five years old. Yet he is being subjugated by a button click.

It's very obvious that public education will likely be dismantled before many years as we attempt to follow the party rules of not making the perfect the enemy of the good, of not criticizing the policy of the administration.

Soon I doubt you will see much posting here about the corporate steamroller that is crushing public schools and teachers. The propaganda about bad teachers worked well, very well.


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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:00 AM
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1. "Tired" of your posts?
Not in my book. Huge K&R.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:03 AM
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2. It's for the best.
When things reach the point of ugliness, it's best to start having a lower profile. I am sincere about that.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 01:37 PM
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37. This has to be one of the first MF posts I disagree with.
We don't need you to take a lower profile.

Keep fighting the good fight! We need more of you!

:yourock: :woohoo:

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:29 PM
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82. +1
This OP is very sad in more ways than one.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 07:34 PM
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83. No.
If you cave to pressure cavemen win. Hateful is the new reasonable only if you buy into it and let the idiocracy run interference for the financial classes. Don't.
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The Genealogist Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:10 AM
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5. A decent education, which every child deserves
should include public schools. Education should not be just another commodity enriching a few already rich people. The American public school education should not only be retained, but more money should be going to it!
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zeos3 Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:04 AM
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3. K&R
I always send your posts out to all my teacher friends.
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ZenaD Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:08 AM
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4. Public schools, what's left of them, will end up as a clearing house
Special needs kids, students with behavioral problems, and homeless kids. In Maricopa County AZ where I live the county school district is for homeless students. The rest attend schools in a conglomeration of disparate public, private, and charter schools. Our schools rank at the bottom in all national measures but conservatives here insist that we're #1 in "school choice!" Yeah, what a choice. I'm so glad I don't have kids in school.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:15 AM
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7. Seperate and unequal.
Welcome to 1880.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:13 AM
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19. That is where the current form of republican wish to takes us.
1880
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:13 AM
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6. Make them just bright enough to respond to the cues,
but dumb enough not to care. Make them into good little automatons that will never think for themselves or rebel.

It's a fine way to destroy what's left of a complex civilization.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:45 AM
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8. Just about the truth.
This business of clicks and finger snaps and taps on desk in rhythm is getting to be too much. There is so much more to learning. Yanking a 5 yr old out of class for letting his attention stray is just plain ridiculous.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 05:41 AM
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12. Gingrich is going to turn them all into janitors, anyway ... !!
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 01:03 PM
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35. while they are still in middle school!
I couldn't believe that when I heard it although I shouldn't be surprised anymore.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 03:24 AM
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9. Welcome to the Soviet Union of Education
coming to a city or town near you
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 01:23 PM
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36. The Soviet Union turned out more and much better scientists than privatization will. nt
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:12 AM
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75. yep. n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 03:26 AM
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10. BOTH parties will continue to attack public education .... they represent private interests ...
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 03:28 AM by defendandprotect
and always will -- in that sense government run schools are the enemy.

The more anyone votes for the "lesser evil" the more they will move government

into corporate hands!



BOTH corporate parties are after the safety net /"lesser evil" vote is a corporate vote--!!
Bill Moyers:

'We Have Two Parties Serving Corporate America and No Party That Serves

the Middle Class or Working People'


http://video.pbs.org/video/2050432458


12/25/11

Maybe Bill Moyers can make that clear to the many who still don't believe it???








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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 05:40 AM
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11. Let's be honest ... It's a corporate agenda pushed by corporate incumbents ... sadly -- !!
Keep on tellin' it, Madfloridian --

IMO, many of us here are dismayed that this is going on while we have a Dem in in the

White House -- though more likely should say New Dem or Third Way Dem! Who knows what

the actual label should be, but rarely recognizable as a democrat.

To sum up, it's as depressing as all the other serious problems festering under this

"Dem" administration!


I'd also pass any threatening PM's along to the administration -- and be sure your

"buddies" here at DU know about them, as well.



So with the new DU3 my posts won't be as noticeable....so that part will be settled.

Presume you are saying that's part of the new DU3's design -- interesting!




And this should all be repeated for anyone who hasn't actually read it .... !!



They are a powerful group, those reformers. They are being very effective using the tons of money that teachers in the public school system don't have. They are using that money to fill school boards with candidates who see things their way. It's happening quickly.

From Huffington Post:

America's Education Reform Lobby Makes Its Presence Known At The Voting Booth



So public education and public school teachers are being attacked from all sides.

I talked recently with a mother of a kindergartner who is reading at 4th and 5th grade level at a charter school. He sounds like a typical child in kindergarten otherwise. He wiggles, he squirms, he doesn't keep constant eye contact with the teacher. Instead they have a system they follow without deviation. There is the usual click of a button, and one chance to get total attention back.....or a monitor comes and takes them out of the room. This probably gifted child goes home every day kind of sad that he is not making his teachers proud.

For goodness sake he is five years old. Yet he is being subjugated by a button click.

It's very obvious that public education will likely be dismantled before many years as we attempt to follow the party rules of not making the perfect the enemy of the good, of not criticizing the policy of the administration.

Soon I doubt you will see much posting here about the corporate steamroller that is crushing public schools and teachers. The propaganda about bad teachers worked well, very well.



Voting was corrupted long ago -- and just another issue where Democrats are SILENT --!!

This is without doubt fascism -- the destroyers have worked 60 years to overturn the New Deal

and they're finally almost there! And it's only cost us the environment and our planet!!


Schools will soon be only places for New Speak and RW propaganda --

and don't ever doubt that RW propaganda works!



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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 06:21 AM
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13. Ten years until all these so-called "private schools" start requiring Bible study courses.
You KNOW that's coming.

When's the "change" going to start?
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dash_bannon Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:42 AM
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25. No, I'd wager sooner
I don't think it would take ten years. I'd say if they didn't start immediately, they'd do so within 2-3 years.

Creationism would be taught as fact.

Fascist America, brought to you by McJesus(tm)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 12:40 AM
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66. Shocking -- but think you're probably right ---
No patriarchy without organized patriarchal religion to underpin it -- !!




Patriarchy -- and its underepinning =

Organized patriarchal religion -- and its economic system =

Capitalis =

The Unholy Trinity




:hi:
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 06:57 AM
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14. Here in Wisconsin they're taking dollars from public schools and giving them to ...
... private schools in wealthy districts.


If this is allowed to continue, our public schools will soon be serving kids with CP, spina bifida and others with the greatest need while the "charter schools" will have cherry-picked the best and brightest.


Scores will then be compared and the public schools deemed "failures".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:27 AM
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18. They are doing the same in Florida. Vouchers to private religious schools.
for the handicapped at first, but expanding now to the poor and needy. This is taxpayer money.

No one is fighting back against it, there is little in the news about it.



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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:03 AM
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26. Was it a post of yours where I read
the students in rich areas have two sets of school books so they don't have to carry them from school to home, while the students in poor areas had books that were decades old. How can this be tolerated in this country? The comment from another poster about the goal of producing non-questioning little automatons is so spot on. The real education will be given in the expensive, private schools, while the children of the masses will get pablum.

I don't have children, so I've been seriously out of touch with the changes in the school system. It's only been from your posts that I've come to realize how different it is now, & not in any way that is good or progressive. Please keep up the great work, madflo. I may not always respond, but when I see a post of yours, I read it.



~ Does this site have the capability to alert when certain DUer's post?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:19 PM
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30. Yes, that happened to my school.
We had barely enough books to go around while two schools in richer neighborhoods had two sets of each....one for home and one for school.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:49 PM
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33. Yes it does. In case you've not been answered - add them to your
buddy list {the + button next to their name} - then under "my DU" whenever their journal is updated it will automatically show you in a list of all your buddies. Hope that helps.

Cheers
Sandy
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:33 PM
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38. Thanks!
:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 12:42 AM
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67. Missed that one ... wow -- !!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 07:53 AM
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15. Just a note of encouragement to say I hope you continue doing what
you have been doing. Perhaps it is equally true that a number of people who read your informative posts do not take the time to send you a private message telling you how much they are appreciated.

I read them consistently, but do not post much. Both my daughter and her husband are teachers. We all have a lot invested in this issue.

Keep up the good work.

Sam
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:20 AM
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16. Just wanted to say that I always read your posts, and hope to continue.
As a Florida teacher with many extended family members depending on me, it is important to be able to read your posts because you always clarify my general state of anxiety:).
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:24 AM
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17. madfloridian, I appreciate your posts
I have gained a great understanding of this issue due to your posts. Thank you.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 12:43 AM
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68. +1 --
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:15 AM
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20. Thanks for keeping us so well informed.
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FairWinds Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:28 AM
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21. Yes, please keep posting
We need your voice.
What the heck is the second post talking about? We're supposed to crawl away if the other side gets ugly? People, ugly is what they do!
As the saying goes, "they only win if we give up!!"
I'm off to an Occupy CLE event this afternoon. Wish me luck!!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:30 AM
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22. k&r
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:32 AM
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dash_bannon Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:40 AM
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24. Sad... Truly sad...
I'm not sure why people aren't upset over the possible loss of public schools. I'd wager two primary causes are the constant demonization of teachers by the media and that other issues are taking precedence.

As people are working to pay off debts, tighten their belts, and working to find a job that pays a living wage, it must sound good to find a target for their upset: "overpaid" unionized teachers.

Add the constant, never ending attacks on public schools for teaching the theory of evolution, and now for teaching that global warming is real.

I'm not sure people realize how valuable publicly funded schools are to a democratic society. I'd say most people just don't think. They watch the news, if we're lucky, and then vote depending on what some right wing/pro-corporate talking head says on tv.

It's sad, but not surprising, that Democrats are part of the problem. You'd think they'd be fighting to support public education as they historically have.

We the people need to seriously take over Washington. Too much monied influence is almost guaranteeing a police state future.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:21 AM
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27. You'd think the democrats would be fighting a lot of things for which they have historically fought.
I used to complain about how restrictive a two party system is, but I'd be happy with that at this point. :eyes:

It was a brilliant move, on the part of the PTB, to get people to actually be proud of their ignorance, to make them feel that smart people are elitist snobs. Then it becomes very easy to blame the teachers & vote in administrators who are more concerned with pressing their agenda, than what is good for the students.

We don't have a democracy, we have an auction.




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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:30 AM
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28. You have long been one of DU's most valuable members.
I hope you will not let an anonymous nastygram stop you from doing your very important work here.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:17 PM
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29. Please don't stop posting.
It's time for the general public to halt that steamroller. If we can occupy Wall Street, we can occupy public education, as well.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:24 PM
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31. I love your posts! Don't let 'em stop you! We in Florida need you -
as does the kids all over the country. If people don't want to miss your posts they need to add you so all your journal updates will be seen under "my Du" (I know you know this but mentioning to the folks that don't)

cheers
Sandy
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:38 PM
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32. Wow about the 5yr old. My daughter is the same, She is 8yrs old will be
9 when the school year ends in May. She has always been the advanced reader - 3rd grade reads at a 6.8 grade level. 0.o
Never really thought of her as gifted and yet maybe she is.
She also struggles to focus in class and likes to goof off. She is growing up too fast too. Starting to develop, getting crushes etc. Thankfully we are in a area of decent quality public elementary schools (it's near a very wealthy suburb, we are in the middle class area though) - so much so that pic ID isnt enough proof of address! Though everyone knows my daughter now since she's been there since Kindy and participates in all the activities as humanely possible between us and the grandparents. Thank god for the grans!

Cheers
Sandy
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 12:56 PM
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34. Please don't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever stop!!! Your voice is too damn important on DU
and elsewhere.

I always send your links to friends who are teachers, I bring your points up at group get-together's (makes me sound smart!), I believe we are in the middle of a full fledged attack on public education and it will take all of us educating our circle of family, friends and acquaintances to try to stop this freight train.

You are part of that effort. Please don't stop.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:58 PM
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62. +1,000. Same here.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 02:54 PM
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39. I hope you keep posting madfloridian
My Daughter is just starting her teaching career, it is her passion. I learn a lot from your posts and I often pass them on to her. We both appreciate your insight as we see public education getting worse daily in America. She grew up in a Union home and she understands the necessity of collective bargaining and not allowing our public education system become another for-profit scheme.

IMO, we must support OWS any way possible. It is our hope for a nation that is concerned for people above profits.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 03:51 PM
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40. Dear madfloridian, and all DU-er's:
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 03:52 PM by snot
I.m.h.o., it's been obvious to anyone paying attn during the last decade that many conservatives are very intelligent and that they rightly targeted certain institutions as key to controlling society at large:

1. The media.
2. Elections.
3. Education.

I for one have been extremely grateful to madfloridian for being our watchperson on the education front and only wish we had more of and like her/him, not less.

Thanks, madfloridian!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:25 PM
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55. The "Republican Noise Machine" has done its job well.
I assume you read that book. Sounds like it. They have cowed our Democrats until they don't even fight back.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 03:59 PM
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41. All I can say is that as another teacher,
I value and appreciate your posts more than you can imagine. Thank you so much.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 04:00 PM
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42. K&R
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 04:02 PM
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43. Recommend
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 04:03 PM
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44. They are doing it here in Austin as well.
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 04:05 PM by Melissa G
I hear the public "meetings" are not for information or input, but more like a timeshare presentation. That in itself is telling. :eyes:

edit to Thank madfloridian for the op post.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 05:48 PM
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47. In our area there is a school of choice threatening to become a charter...
if they don't get what they want from the county school board. They are a pretty exclusive school already because they dismiss the less talented. I can see that part...they are a performing arts school. But in the future I see many schools of choice using the vote to become a charter as a weapon against the school board. Right now schools of choice and magnet schools are regulated by the school board, but the charters are not. They get our tax money but they can not be told what to do by the district.

I wonder if anyone in power really looked into the future of all this before turning Arne loose to wreak havoc?
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:15 PM
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53. Our superintendent, Meria Carstarphen, is pushing this on our East Austin families.
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 09:16 PM by Melissa G
They are trying to turn our low income schools on the east side over to a charter called IDEA. 60 million in assets being turned over to private hands
plus paying them "between $1.67 million and $4.12 million to run the in-district charter schools."

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/east-austin-community-deserves-voice-1952956.html

I'm pretty sure those in power planned Arne and all this. :grr:

Part of the take over and privatization of Education. TPTB will own all facets of our lives, air and water are next on their lists. No, I am not kidding or overstating.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:20 PM
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54. Interesting that they are threatening to become a charter...
I would not imagine that charters would be a better deal for the teachers. I don't believe teachers at charters have the same perks as traditional schools. I thought that was part of the cost savings? :shrug: Do you know why they think it is a good idea?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:52 PM
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59. I think they are swooning over the "prestige" factor of being called a "charter school"
People around here are so in love with the concept that their kids are special enough to go to a charter with a lottery and all that.

They and the teachers have not thought through the implications of it all. Actually, though, the influential parents run the school.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:00 PM
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63. Thanks for your thoughts. Not thinking through the implications
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 10:01 PM by Melissa G
made charters appealing to me once. It wasn't until I saw the implications of big corporations taking over the world's education that I really 'saw' the nightmare charters could become.
Privatization of public assets are a problem in Texas with Perry in charge right now.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:45 AM
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72. The scarey thought
is that they looked at the future in depth, and turned him and his crew loose because of it.

I add my voice. I am not inherently tied to the schools, with no kids or close family currently enrolled. But I do care. And I have followed your postings for some time. Seeing your name next to an OP guarantee's it a read. You are a prime source of information for me on this topic, which I do care about. Please do not stop due to the argumentative, uncaring, or paid disruptor's who have made their way onto DU.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 04:09 PM
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45. I join the long list of posters who appreciate the work you're doing.
Who are the (Third Way) DU members who would rather you kept all this information to yourself?

I don't really expect you to reveal their names but I would think that if THEY felt as strongly as they say they do, they would have the integrity to stand up for themselves and speak publicly.

The fact that they hide in anonymity tells me all I need to know about their character.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 04:21 PM
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46. Only liars and those protecting lies ever tire of the truth.
Please never stop shining your light.
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Yooperman Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 06:06 PM
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48. My wife has worked as a teacher in both the public system and charter system....
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 06:12 PM by Yooperman
She currently works for a private company that runs pre-school and charter schools in Michigan.

For reasons I won't get into here, she wasn't able to get into the public system and has been working for over 13 years now for this private company. A few years as a 3rd grade teacher however, most as a headstart instructor. Over the years the following has occurred.

She had been "ordered" by her principle that she could NOT attend board meetings. The principle was the sole representative to the board on how the school was being run and preformed. They of course never got the full story.

She has brought to the attention to her current supervisor that what they are demanding they accomplish cannot be done in a 40 hour week... (she is considered an hourly employee) however if she puts down that she worked over 40 hours her job would be at risk. She NEVER works under 50 hours per week, sometimes 60, taking her paperwork home on weekends to keep up.

On top of the hours she already puts in... they require her to attend several functions throughout the year without pay...

Whenever she has brought up concerns... she is told "Go find another job if you can't handle it! There are plenty of others that will take your place!"

This company of course lays off all their hourly in the summer...so unlike the public system teachers that are under contract, she collects unemployment for 3 months... this is of course "considered" part of her yearly teaching pay by her company.

There is no union representative and being an "at will" employee ..there is not much she can do but keep her mouth shut and put in her time.

Her supervisor has NEVER EVER taught a single day of her life. She is a business manager and has zero understanding of the needs of teachers and the students. All she is worried about it is maintaining a profit for the company she is employed with. Even if many policies they have are actually illegal.. such as not paying overtime to hourly employees.

The privatization of our schools is just another bad direction that the republicans are taking our country.

NO ONE should profit from education of students especially investors that all they care about is lining their pockets with money they get from the federal government.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 06:46 PM
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50. Wow, thank you for that information.
I am not surprised, and stories like that are being repeated all over the country. When I retired I gave thanks that I for over 30 years had a job I loved....and that I had the security in my job that enabled me to stand up for the needs of the children. I could see the handwriting, so to speak, and I got out.

My best to your wife, it must be very frustrating.

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Yooperman Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:24 PM
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81. Her father taught in the public system for over 30 years...
That is one of the reasons she went into education. Educators were once the most respected members of society... now they are being railed on for the high pay and benefits with a "cush" job.

What others don't remember.. is all educators have 4 and 5 year degrees... and with the unions help have negotiated decent pay and benefits that they certainly deserve and it is far from a "cush" job.

My wife taught for 12 years as a 6th grade teacher in a different state before we decided to move back to Michigan to be closer to our families as our children were growing up without really knowing their Grandparents and Aunts and Uncles.... She has had students swear, throw books and chairs and bite her over the years... not to mention the student on student conflicts. As schools try to "mainstream" mentally disturbed 12 year olds in the classroom of over 35 6th graders... she was expected to maintain discipline and teach at effective levels without any aid or assistance.

I will say... she is one outstanding instructor... once voted by her peers as the "Teacher of the Year" in a district of over 700 teachers.

However, she has dreaded the start of each school year...as the stress has almost put her over the edge... but it is hard to replace the $20.00 an hour job with healthcare (she is a diabetic) even though the co-pays are now $40.00 per... instead of the once $10.00.

Our country has deteriorated to a fraction of what it once was before NAFTA and the catering to the 1%.

Peace

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 06:12 PM
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49. You are the best education commentator on the web, MF.
I'll continue to look for your posts, which are always pertinent, interesting and literate. I guess that's enough to piss some people off. :hi:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 08:17 PM
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51. Some see education as just another area for big business to exploit. They resent any kind of public
Edited on Sat Nov-26-11 08:31 PM by DirkGently
service, whether education or the military or the Post Office or road construction or police and fire departments. And of course the prison system. Privatizing any of these invites the same disaster we see every day with health care. You can't provide critical services that EVERYONE must have equal access to, with a profit motive.

This where a lot of the "government can't do anything / never created job" etc. propaganda comes from. Every time government provides a service, some businessperson sees a lost chance to screw someone over for a dollar.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:12 AM
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74. Everything for profit is destroying our world.
I hope our species wakes up before it's too late.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 08:21 PM
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52. A 5 year old gifted child being trained to be as efficient and productive as the
multinationals would like for him to become.

If he TRULY excels into the elite 1%, it will be hardwired in him that this is the way it should be done and he will enforce it on the masses. After all it worked on him didn't it?

If he does not become the elite (which will include most everyone being subjected to these methods), he will have been manipulated to be the hyper productive slave that the corporations would like for him to be.

It continues to become more and more chilling in this country.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:35 PM
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56. I went to a terrible middle school
that according to bussing rules I was required to go to and wasn't selected for open enrollment to a better school. So after one year my parents chose to send me to private school. Sorry but I'll support my tax dollars going to a student to attend a private school rather than a horrible school like the one I was forced to go to for a year. That is until we hear that private schools are the same awfulness.

Horrible teachers, except for two (one of which was a friend's and not mine), horrible students, constant fights and distractions in and out of classes, picked on for being white at a black/mexican majority school and the staff never acted on my complaints.
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wakemewhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:35 PM
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57. Madfloridian: Keep on postin'
As a fellow (mad) Floridian with an interest in education, I appreciate your posts. And I hereby gripe about the anonymous moron who griped about your posts.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:55 PM
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60. ....
It was more than a gripe. It was quite scary. Actually I will keep posting here or somewhere, but the new DU will have a quite different format. I do not post popular topics, so there goes the ability to get a post noticed.

It's time for someone else to take up the watch, I think.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:36 PM
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58. Stand for Children used to be a legitimate organization.
Then they sold out to Gates and Co.
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ZenaD Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 12:44 AM
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69. It was. I have two friends who've worked for them for years.
I am shocked at how they changed radically in their approaches to education.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 09:57 PM
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61. My youngest, now 16, was tested with an I.Q. of 132 in his
kindergarten year. There were services available for him and his older brothers at one time, but budget cuts, and cuts, and even more cuts haven't left much available for kids in this state.

It's more than sad, as IIRC, TN was one of the first states, if not the first, to recognize gifted and talented students under IDEA...how far we've fallen backwards into the early 1900's is hard for me to describe.

He, following in the footsteps of his older brothers, loved school at one time, until the brunt of NCLB hit, along with budget cuts, he now hates school and can't wait to get out. I can't wait either, but that won't help kids who are younger.

I'm not sure when as a society we began valuing less educated students.
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 11:16 PM
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64. K&R
I hope you keep posting. Your wisdom and perspective are very valuable.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 12:37 AM
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65. I proudly K&R this post...thank you!
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 12:41 AM by CoffeeCat
I'm a mother to two daughters--one in middle school and one in her
last year of elementary school.

Their teachers are incredible, wonderful and as far as I'm concerned--modern-day heroes.

I am sick to death of this orchestrated effort to disparage teachers. The only reason this
is being done--is to remove the GREAT teachers who won't capitulate to this corporate-led
destruction of our schools. They're trying to make the good ones quit--which will leave
the borg teachers behind who do nothing but teach to tests. There goes creativity. There
goes our kids love of learning. There goes the ability of children to really THINK.

Damn straight--this is all corporate led. It is DISGUSTING that they will exploit our
children---for one reason--PROFIT.

These shameless psychos need to be stopped!

I seriously do not understand how teachers are holding up these days. Besides teaching
and all of the extra hours it involves--plus parents and principals--they are all being
squeezed. The excellent teachers are being forced to bend toward rules and new policies
that HARM our children. So--any of you teachers out there feeling this squeeze--please
know that you're not crazy and you're feeling it because you are good, decent and amazing
and dark, foolish things are happening in education.

So hang in there and hopefully this country will put up an amazing fight against this!
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 01:16 AM
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70. K&R
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 01:28 AM
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71. K&R ... Bigtime!
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:55 AM
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73. K & R, a gazillion!
Please don't stop posting your essential and erudite observations about the continued corporate assault on public education!

(BTW, I have received death threats via email here in DU. The way I see it: I must be doing something right if the corporatists and/or their sock puppets view me as a threat.}
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:45 PM
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76. How will DU3 make your posts less noticable? I admit that I've only
been paying half-attention to the changes.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 09:49 PM
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77. Bookmarked and K&R.
"So with the new DU3 my posts won't be as noticeable....so that part will be settled."

Not as noticeable?

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 01:16 AM
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78. too late to recommend
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:44 AM
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79. The Repukes want to get their hands on that large chunk of tax money that goes to schools...
Just like the TeaBag push to privatize prisons and toll roads.... they know there is a sizeable cash flow connected with these sources... and they WANT it.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 01:28 PM
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80. kick. n/t
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