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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:52 PM
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Congress Votes to Create a Police State, This Week?
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 03:03 PM by mckara
IF YOU THOUGHT POLICE BRUTALITY WAS BAD … WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE WHAT CONGRESS WANTS TO DO NEXT WEEK

The police brutality against peaceful protesters in Berkeley, Davis, Oakland and elsewhere is bad enough.

But next week, Congress will vote on explicitly creating a police state.

The ACLU’s Washington legislative office explains:

The Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.
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The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.
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The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself. The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday.
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In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”
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The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown.

THERE IS STILL A CHANCE TO STOP IT

The ACLU notes that there is some hope:

But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation. Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/congress-vote-next-week-explicitly-creating-police-state

It is important to support the Udall Amendment, this week!!!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:55 PM
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1. Congers doesn't want the austerity measures to be questioned any more.
Especially in light of the fact of how this millionaires club makes their money-insider trading...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 02:56 PM
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2. Actually, the bill explicitly says that it does NOT apply to American citizens. nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:07 PM
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3. ACLU is clear the proposed legislation DOES apply to Americans.
Check this ACLU article and take action:

Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:11 PM
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4. Then the ACLU is either engaging in hyperbole, or mistaken.
You can simply read the relevant portion of the bill.

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

...

(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

...

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:43 AM
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14. The exemption applies only to Section 1032, not to Section 1013
The ACLU's update explains:


UPDATE: Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1013 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being


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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:14 PM
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5. Legislation INCLUDES American Citizens at Home and Abroad
S.1867 includes these provisions highlighted by the ACLU:

If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside theUnited States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:22 PM
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6. Thank you, That is what I thought.
I didn't think the ACLU would bring this to public attention unless they were confident it would effect American citizens.

k&r

:kick:
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:31 PM
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8. It Appears to Apply After an Authorization of Military Force
Which, in the past, was used to authorize domestic wiretapping, also.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 04:35 PM
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9. No. Read the bill, not what someone else wrote.
It explicitly exempts both American citizens and Lawful Permanent Residents (green card holders).
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:10 AM
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13. No, it does not. Nowhere does the bill state that detaining Americans is PROHIBITED.
It merely states that doing so is not a REQUIREMENT.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:24 PM
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7. The vote in the Senate is tomorrow, I believe. n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 04:41 PM
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10. Naw. They'd never lock up citizens like that...just ask the Japanese Americas during WWII.
My brother in law was a guard at one of the detention centers (aka - concentration camps). He, being from California, even knew some of the prisoners. He begged for a transfer and got one to Idaho where he guarded German and Italian prisoners who were hired out to the farmers. The Germans were a sullen lot, but the Italians had a great time comforting the local farm girls whose boyfriends and husbands were off to the war.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:10 PM
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11. Most likely, the bill will only take effect after 1/20/2013, should Obama
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 05:10 PM by zbdent
not get re-elected (similar to what happened to the "line item veto" ... when Clinton got re-elected, it was found to be "unconstitutional").

If Obama gets re-elected, look for the fight for it to be struck down be led by a "libertarian" Repug ...
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:14 PM
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12. K&R nt
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