Let's not get sucked into hate (aka Hillary Vs Obama)

There are a number of threads trying to stir up old 2008 hate. Now, I will not apologize for my vote, nor would I make the Hillary folks apologize for theirs, especially as we did come together at the 11th hour. However, let's not be fooled, the only ones who gain from this are the GOP. I will not apologize, nor demand an apology, from any voter that voted democrat in 2008, all I ask is that we remember to vote 2012, because we both know we do NOT want any GOP candidate to win, period.

That toon was from today's St. Louis Dispatch.

If you want to see people squirm...post a poll on how people plan to vote in 2012. Many here don't want to be told that not voting for Obama in the general election is insanity. Furthermore, as that thread aptly demonstrates, there are still plenty of people who have never given up the fight from 2008 and have been hoping for Obama to fail for one reason or another. How many posts have there been saying there should be a serious primary challenge to the sitting Democratic president? :shrug:



As Harry Truman once said: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you don't want to be possibly offended, don't look at political cartoons. They're supposed to make your spine crawl, that's their job.

Walk into the booth with a clothespin on your nose if you need to but DO it.

Signed, Hillary Supporter Who Told You So.

Now stop rehashing like soap fans arguing Jiz vs JaSam and deal with the world we have.

Ellison was talking about the fact that this even comes up, NOT rehashing it. We know the GOP is trying to get dems to stay home, and that they will shamelessly rool this out, just as assuredly they would be playing to black voter rage if Hillary won.

It was a "Draft Hillary" one. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=822878&mesg_id=822878

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I think the OP is right. Enough with the 2008 Primary wars. I don't think anyone on this board wants Obama to fail, because if he does, we all go down with him. But there are plenty of reasons people are frustrated with him. They have a right to express that. I think you have to understand that too. Also, I could see it if Hillary said she was going to challenge Obama. She has never said it and has no intentions to. So what's the point? If I was looking to change minds and get people to vote for Obama, I wouldn't do it by insulting them. Obama needs their votes. You catch more bees with honey, if you catch my drift.

As Abraham Lincoln once said: "A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Let's not piss each other off, it doesn't benefit the party.

1)The GOP is trying to use this to divide us.
2) as far as flies with honey, see some of that thread wheres ome Hillary supporters did NOT take the high road like aquart did.

We know they will float the "obama should step aside for Hillary" meme, and we need to see it for what it is, a Trojan Horse. We as democrats need to say, to quote someone I would have voted for in the general if she won "no way, no how." :)

But that one could just as easily taken as offensive. If I said that the baby boomer generation sold young people out for a quick buck, there would be some offended people. The point is that political cartoons are supposed to be evocative.

The real problem was that people misread the cartoon. That is neither the cartoonists fault, nor mine. It wasn't an attack on Hillary so much as an attack on the commentators who have suggested a run. The fact is that tension is simmering just below the surface and people took the pretense to let it spill out. That happens in a dozen GDP threads every month.

When people spit in the honey and tell you it's worthless flavored syrup what more can be done...

:shrug:

Green Light #75794 - By Yaakov Kirschen, Dry Bones - 3/13/2010

Another center-right Clinton administration would have been only slightly different from this center-right Obama administration. The only remorse I have about 2008 is that Clinton and Obama were the only real choices allowed to us.

Please, what would hillary do differently? Their connections, empowerers, are the same.

GOP cannot obstruct. Makes her look more productive than Obama. More of a winner. This meme makes Obama look weak in comparison. We know a 'weak Obama' is the GOP meme. Why are we paying attention to it and repeating it with all the Hillary Clinton talk?

If you never heard or saw them and just had to deal with what they did, it would be very difficult to know which is which.

Coke and Pepsi are far less similar, the whole argument is a distraction about differences without substantial distinction.

I'm glad someone finally said it. I wish the mods would put an end to the 2008 Primary flame posts once they start. They serve no purpose. We are all in this together. Either we hang together or we will hang separately.

The Rs are all alike......sadly, so are we.....a hawk is a hawk is a hawk. IMO, it is tme for radical change. H and O are so much alike, really not worth arguing with friends over.

First - he won't be primaried. So that's just talk. Second - look at NJ. The only reason why Chrisite won was because too many Dems/Libs/Progressives stayed home. Look at the numbers of people who voted in 2008 here - and those who didn't in 2008. I'm stuck with Christie in NJ - please don't leave me stuck with a Gungrinch or another Bush or a wishy washy Romney in Washington by default. Just because people didn't vote.

And I can't believe that there isn't ine single thing that Obama lead on that people can't get excited about. DADT? Ledbetter? There's got to be at least one thing to feet excited about. So get excited about that kne thing and get out there and vote.

I look forward to further pronouncements on topics we should not talk about. Next on the agenda should be any criticism of Obama's policies, for that only serves the GOP and causes division.

Could not have dreamed of saying it better myself

They are practically clones where policy is concerned,
except on The Mandate (which Obama opposed) and the Public Option (which Obama said was necessary),
and we all know how THAT turned out after the election.

Where is the disconnect? :shrug:



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not by their excuses.
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