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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:56 AM Original message |
Man-made super-flu could kill half humanity (& the scientist wants to publish the process) |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. what in the hell are they thinking?!?! |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. How naive do you have to be to actually need a debate on |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
3. And the reason for doing this was... what exactly? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. But most of the dead will be from the 99%, so what's the big deal? |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. But which 99%? |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
70. Yes, but HEPA filters and bio containment centers DO. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. I believe you are correct...out of 100% of the population |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 05:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
85. agreed lol |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. What could possibly go wrong? |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. Yet another example of how truly fucked up the human species is... n/t |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. Truly fucked up and apparently truly evil to have made this. |
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greytdemocrat (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. What??? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm going to re-read THE STAND, just in case something like that happens. nt |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. It should be noted that "The Stand" can't happen |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I don't know, didn't the 1918 flu virus make it to some pretty remote places? nt |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. 1918 wasn't sufficiently deadly to collapse society. (nt) |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. This was just as soldiers returned from the Philippines. Travelers, traveling across the Americas. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
82. Yeah, and that was basically before global commercial air traffic existed. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. In the Stand we intentionally spread it to other areas (China, Etc) (nt) |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Yes, but you can't infect everyone. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. True - like folks on a submarine :) (nt) |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
60. There was more involved in the Stand than simple transmission of disease. eom |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. To heck with Stephen King, I'm watching "12 Monkeys" again! n/t |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. +1, n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
9. NPI, but this is, in all seriousness, the sickest thing I have EVER known of. PSYCHOPATHIC SCIENCE. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. You're a half empty type of person aren't you? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
58. Well, maybe if I could pick the half....... :-) |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. LOL good one! nt |
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queenjane (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. I work with scientists. The end game is "Can we do this?" |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Your argument also applied to the 1900s |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
72. Folks never did "regularly die by 55" if they made it past childhood except under specific |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. Science is the pursuit of knowledge. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
55. I think you've got it wrong |
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shockra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
83. Agreed on all points. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
11. For all those freaking out, there's a good reason for this research |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. But getting hold of some marijuana is a tedious process... |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
57. It didn't sound like it to me. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #57 |
91. That's why we shouldn't let people like you make decisions. |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
109. It's just that I have done a bit of research on biowarfare, and....... |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
76. Ah, yes, the DU science freak out |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
96. I can see them doing this for good reasons, but... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
14. sounds like the repuke back up plan. |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
20. What kind of person would test such a thing??? |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Yes, clearly we shouldn't try to figure out what makes flu more contagious. |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. There could be devestating consequences to this. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. And there could be fantastically good consequences to this |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Checking the virulence of an existing strand is understandable. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. We're not talking about a virus that can not be produced outside a lab |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. That's not the point. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The research is worthless without publishing |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. It is more related to publishing the process. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Again, making a virus that can infect in a lab is not a weapon |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. If you are able to make this virus |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:24 AM Response to Reply #49 |
79. Most likely was done in a BSL3 facility |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #49 |
87. He didn't "muck around with it". He let a natural mutation happen |
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Dont call me Shirley (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. And that's what chemtrails can do, right now. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #53 |
94. No, they really can't |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:11 AM Response to Reply #45 |
74. No it's not. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
89. "Recipe" in the original article is grossly missleading |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #89 |
102. Ah, viruses don't kill people...people do. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
111. If they didn't publish it, Wikileaks will, no? |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
78. This is a common research design |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. I can see a bright side to this. nt |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. It would definitely cut down on global warming and depletion of resources. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. There's a pretty clear connection between the Black Death and the Renaissance. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
100. No, with the ranks of cheap labor thinned out the price went up |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
97. Yes, and the poor people who will die had it coming |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. the Black Death cut down the privileged as well as the poor. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. A simple comparison of malaria stats between the U.S. and sub-Saharan Africa |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
29. Teh stupid, it burns............... |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
30. Which half? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. Wild guess...the half without access to proper medical care? nt |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Not necessarily - the Black Death did not just kill the people without resources |
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Evasporque (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
33. from the "what could possibly go wrong?" department....nt |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
36. for all the folks condemning the creation of this virus... |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
71. The virulence isn't the major point. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
105. influenza ALWAYS spreads through airborne aerosols.... |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
38. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
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quispquake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. Patton Oswalt had it right... |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
40. They could make it a kiddie toy! Remember the Atomic Labatory kits... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. You can find detailed plans for building nuclear weapons on the Internet. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Actually, its the material availibility |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
42. They need to be working on curing diseases.. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. You can't cure what you don't understand |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Great. Spread the results and destroy the virus. And keep the recipe locked up. nt |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
86. The "recipe" is the results, and you need the virus to test with. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
107. All you need is the virues DNA... |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:27 AM Response to Reply #42 |
80. This is part of that process |
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bloomington-lib (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
43. Don't let the makers of Tamiflu or similar flu vaccine producers get a hold of this |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:19 AM Response to Reply #43 |
77. already much Tamiflu resistant strains |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
50. K&R nt |
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AverageJoe90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
56. Kill half the world's population? Really? |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
61. Let's stop teaching science; the knowledge is too risky. |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
64. I wish they'd find a way to control the subjects of Man's studies. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
66. "The White Plague" by Frank Herbert should be required reading for these people |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
69. one possible reason to research this |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:06 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. +1, the last version of bird flu was just 5 mutations away from a global pandemic |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
75. This is a long process |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
81. BTW |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
84. Any primitivists here advocate this? |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
88. SEE THESE 3 ARTICLES - I posted back in 2009 to little response but now, take another look: |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Additional thought: We should begin to consider the idea that the 1% have no intention of sharing: |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #88 |
99. There's a problem when people don't get enough science. They start creating conspiracies. |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. So you're saying these guys didn't "get enough science" ? I respect your input but reject the label |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #103 |
110. One can have "doctor" or "professor" in front of their name and still be completely wrong |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. p.s. -And it's not as if the U.S. military would take control of a scientific discovery for it's own |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
90. Sharing it is irrelevant: Why the hell did they INVENT this??? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Researching what makes the flu contagious is good science. nt |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
95. Why the hell would they even publish that they created it......... |
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deucemagnet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
106. It's part of the peer-review process. |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
108. interesting article |
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