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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:03 PM
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More US Service Members Committed Suicide In 2010 Than Died In Combat
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 06:04 PM by kpete
January 28, 2011 03:00 PM
More US Service Members Committed Suicide In 2010 Than Died In Combat
By Nicole Belle

http://www.congress.org/news/2011/01/24/more_troops_lost_to_suicide



We talk about the trillions of dollars added to the deficit because of our occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan...but how can you monetize this very real and very painful cost?

For the second year in a row, more American soldiers—both enlisted men and women and veterans—committed suicide than were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Excluding accidents and illness, 462 soldiers died in combat, while 468 committed suicide. A difference of six isn't vast by any means, but the symbolism is significant and troubling. In 2009, there were 381 suicides by military personnel, a number that also exceeded the number of combat deaths.

Earlier this month, military authorities announced that suicides amongst active-duty soldiers had slowed in 2010, while suicides amongst reservists and people in the National Guard had increased. It was proof, they said, that the frequent psychological screenings active-duty personnel receive were working, and that reservists and guardsmen, who are more removed from the military's medical bureaucracy, simply need to begin undergoing more health checks. This new data, that American soldiers are now more dangerous to themselves than the insurgents, flies right in the face of any suggestion that things are "working." Even if something's working, the system is still very, very broken.

One of the problems hindering the military's attempt to address soldier suicides is that there's no real rhyme or reason to what kind of soldier is killing himself. While many suicide victims are indeed afflicted with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after facing heavy combat in the Middle East, many more have never even been deployed. Of the 112 guardsmen who committed suicide last year, more than half had never even left American soil.


more:
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/more-us-service-members-committed-sui
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:15 PM
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1. Hey that just means we're winning! Try as the enemy might
he just can't shoot us at the same rate that we are shooting ourselves. Of course, it's also true that we are shooting from much, much closer, so we have a big advantage - but who ever said war was supposed to be fair?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:37 PM
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7. You're wrong!
It's because we are better marksmen! USA! USA! USA!

-Hoot
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:29 PM
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2. 33 per 100k; roughly double the US rate if you control for gender (nt)
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:20 PM
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3. Historically high rates of suicide among the ranks of our troops.
Never been this high before, and it may not come down for years.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:33 PM
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6. I'm sure it could be brought down quickly, if we cared
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 07:37 PM by kenny blankenship
Get us out of these loser wars, bring our guys home, and the despair levels will plummet. As things stand now, they are shipped out to an alien world, deprived of the usual "amenities" a soldier can look forward to, made to fight an elusive enemy, and told to protect people they can't easily communicate with and whom they must assume want to see them gone and/or dead. It's the picture of futility, and the worst of it is, it will just go on and on as far as they can see. They will be continually redeployed, unable to "finish the job" and unable to go home to stay. No wonder so many want to kill themselves.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:59 AM
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11. The suicide rate in the Army is about the same as for civilians
"The army suicide rate is now higher than that among the general American population. The rate has been calculated as 20.2 per 100,000 soldiers, compared with 19.5 per 100,000 civilians."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/feb2009/suic-f04.shtml
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:20 PM
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12. That source is not credible at all, not even one teeny tiny bit, not one jot, one tittle, one iota.
Plus, it's out of date!!
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 04:43 PM
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13. Are you arguing that the suicide rate in the Army is much lower then it is for civilians?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:21 PM
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4. K&R
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:28 PM
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5. well, that tells me our soldiers don't believe in what they are doing
after talking to some who were there, I also got that impression, but don't tell the jingoistic nationalist fanatics in our country, because the truth will set them free and they don't like freedom, especially freedom of thought.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:36 AM
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9. That's the wrong conclusion to draw
No matter how truly "just" the cause, some combatants will experience PTSD. It affected participants in WWII, perhaps our last "just" war. And it happened among soldiers who believed in what they were doing.

We know that our current wars are fucked up, for a lot of reasons. But even if they WERE'NT, we'd still see vets with PTSD. That's just part of the cost of war--to the vets, and to the civilians who experience it.

The psychological trauma has nothing to do with good war/bad war or what the troops believe about it. PTSD is a consequence of war that transcends beliefs.

Believe me. I've been there before.

Love & Peace,
pinboy3niner
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:21 AM
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8. And they have access to guns. No surprise.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:50 AM
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10. There are about twice as many suicides in the US as there are murders
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