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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:28 PM
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Irony Overload Bonus from Hillary Clinton
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003431.html

January 30, 2011
Not By Process But By Outcome
By: John Caruso

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IRONY OVERLOAD BONUS: Here's Clinton on yet another talk show:

It needs to be an orderly, peaceful transition to real democracy, not faux democracy like the elections we saw in Iran two years ago, where you have one election 30 years ago and then the people just keep staying in power and become less and less responsive to their people.

Yes, if there's one thing Clinton can't stand it's faux democracy where the same person just keeps staying in power for 30 years. And if you ever wanted a measure of just how supine the media truly is, look no further than the fact that the only followup to this jaw-dropping remark was: "Before you go, are Americans in danger in Egypt?"

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:33 PM
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1. That doesn't even make any sense
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 09:33 PM by emulatorloo
Yes I know what the "point" is but I hate to break it to you, Hillary Clinton has not been Sec of State for 30 years.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:05 PM
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11. And that is only the start of the non-sequiturs in the OP's 'logic'
not to mention the Faux outrage. "Oh my god, what she said was soooo awful!"

Puhleeze. If you are that determined to be outraged and angry that you twist her speech into something bad, you are the one with the problem, not the SOS.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:39 PM
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2. Lol at Hillary. Let's talk about the free and fair elections of your Honduran coup Hillary Rec n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 09:40 PM by Catherina
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:49 PM
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4. Or in Haiti, where her provisional electoral commission banned the largest party from elections.





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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:57 PM
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5.  "democratic leaders", like Papa Doc Duvalier
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 10:01 PM by Catherina
During a March 2009 visit to Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, to meet with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave an interview to al-Arabiya television. Clinton deemphasized the annual human rights report that criticized Egypt’s human rights record and talked up her friendship with the Mubaraks:

    QUESTION: On another issue, the State Department issued a report about criticizing the human rights record of Egypt. And what kind of – in order for Egypt to enhance its record, what do you recommend or ask Egypt to do?

    SECRETARY CLINTON: We issue these reports on every country. We consider Egypt to be a friend and we engage in very forthright conversations with our friends. And so we hope that it will be taken in the spirit in which it is offered, that we all have room for improvement. The United States, as you have seen under our new President, is moving to remedy some of the problems that we have had. We view human rights as very important. It’s central to our value system and to our foreign policy, and so we want to enlist others to make progress.

    QUESTION: Is this file, by any chance, connected to the invitation – extended invitation – for President Mubarak to visit the United States?

    SECRETARY CLINTON: No. It’s an annual report. It is not in any way connected. We look forward to President Mubarak coming as soon as his schedule would permit. I had a wonderful time with him this morning. I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States.



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http://www.americanindependent.com/167486/sec-clinton-interview-in-march-2009-marginalizes-human-rights-says-mubaraks-are-friends-of-the-family


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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:03 PM
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6. Hello.
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:58 PM
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10. What do the primaries have to do with anything?
WTF is Hillbuz?

What's your deal?
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:10 PM
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7. No credible evidence published so far indicates
that Ahmadinejad stole Iran's 2009 presidential election -- or, for that matter, that any fraud at all occurred. The second point is important because many commentators have grudgingly accepted Ahmadinejad's legitimacy only because his margin was large enough that they believe he would have won even without cheating. Nearly as telling, there appears to have been no serious effort by Mousavi or his supporters to find such evidence. . . . Nor have independent critics maintained their initial enthusiasm. The Chatham House Preliminary Analysis never advanced beyond its self-described "preliminary" stage, despite the author's own suggestion that his brief analysis "be followed up should the fully disaggregated 'by polling station' data be released during the ongoing dispute." Precisely that data was released just days later, but no "follow up" has appeared. The response of nearly all pro-Mousavi analysts to the published ballot-box data has been largely the same: silence. Statisticians such as Roukema, Beber and Scacco appear to have ignored it entirely. Even the few who have examined ballot-box-level data -- Professor Mebane, for example -- have overlooked or ignored its real significance. For the first time ever in an Iranian presidential election, it was a simple matter to find evidence of vote-count fraud: just compare the Interior Ministry count with the field count approved by a Mousavi observer, for any ballot box or for all of them. It is fair to ask why no one has done this, or why they have not published their findings if they have.

Despite the absence of evidence -- or perhaps because of it -- Mousavi's demand has never changed: Don't investigate the election; just toss it out and do it over. One wonders how Americans would have reacted if Al Gore had demanded this in 2000. Mousavi has never explained what would happen if a second election were held and it yielded the same result. Would he demand another do-over, and then another, until Iran's voters get it right? Even his most ardent supporters eventually would insist on evidence. If eventually, why not now? It is not fair to the 24 million Iranians who appear to have voted for Ahmadinejad -- nor is it democratic -- for a government to "compromise" with a defeated candidate by nullifying an election without a sound basis for doing so. The loser has a right to complain about an unfair election, but the winner, and those who voted for him, have an equal right to insist that a valid election be respected. One side will always be disappointed with an election result -- but that is democracy, not fraud. Fraud requires evidence, not merely surprise, disappointment and suspicion.

All of this matters outside Iran as well. One suspects that Western leaders acknowledge Ahmadinejad's legitimacy when they talk privately with their foreign counterparts, but many of them posture in public. Even those officials who have been comparatively restrained in their public statements on the election . . . welcome support from election-doubters for confrontational stances they take toward Iran on other grounds. Most Western media outlets routinely refer to the election as tainted, and many writers insist that policy toward Iran must reflect this. Those who disagree are often described as regime apologists, or naïve at best. But they are merely accepting the election results. It is time others did too.

http://brillwebsite.com/writings/iran2009election.html
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:22 PM
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8. Oh, good grief. UnRec.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:51 PM
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9. Good idea.
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