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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:32 AM
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Where the hell are all the pro-Mubarak supporters coming from?
They can't all be plain-clothes police officers, can they?

Either way, how the hell did this country go from the pure ecstasy of Mubarak vowing to step down to the brink of civil war?
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:35 AM
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1. It's a police state so yeah, the pro-Mubarak supporters
are part of the security apparatus. Al-Jazeera has been showing the ID cards of police involved in the fight.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:37 AM
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2. Never forget that there are thousands and thousands that are invested
in the status quo. They have much to lose if Mubarek flees and democracy takes root. It is very easy to see how this amount of people could be mustered to cause violence.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:37 AM
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3. There are people who benefit from the regime. How do you think he stayed in power so long.
Members of the secret police. Cronies, of secret police. Rent-a-mobs, you name it. They're threatened and yes they are going to strike back.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:39 AM
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4. Now, we can understand why Obama had to be so very careful.
There are EIGHTY Million Egyptians. There were One to
Two Million Anti-Gov. Protestors. Where does the other
75 or so million stand. Apparently some of them stand
with Mubarak and the status quo.

Mubarak said I will die in Egypt.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:45 AM
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10. Or Mubarak has his thugs out there and is employing propaganda tactics
make it appear that there is real division. Curious the violence and the 'pro-mub' mobs at the same time that the internet service is restored.

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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:52 AM
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19. BS, Obama failed to do what he should have done
Obama declined to explicitly endorse the protesters demand that Mubarak leave now -- not nine months from now after the planned September election. This gave Mubarak and his regime one last chance to stay in power.

Had Obama backed the popular uprising in his speech, the square would now be filled with people celebrating his immediate departure, rather than protesters being attacked by plain-clothes Mubarak police.

Notwithstanding Obama's failure here, I remain confident Mubarak will be gone by the end of this week.

However, because he is now seen by Egyptians as being on the wrong side of history, I think Obama will have limited influence on what happens next.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:41 AM
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5. oil companies, government ministries, Mubarek's staffers
for starters..

paid provocateurs
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:42 AM
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6. Well, it is a police state....

1.2 million cops, and there ya are. Wouldn't need more than a small fraction of them to pull this off.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:43 AM
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7. Relative to overall numbers they are small and also being paid.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:44 AM
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8. In addition to everything else mentioned, there will be ordinary people.
After several days of services interrupted and security thin, there will always be people who simply want things to go back to "normal," and keep their eyes shut to the injustices that brought on the demonstrations in the first place.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:48 AM
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15. I would think that type of citizen would tend to be more apathetic...
not violent and aggressive as we've seen.

Makes me think not many citizens who aren't bought off are engaging against the anti-Mubarek protestors.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:48 AM
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17. Agreed. Today there will be. But after the violence the thugs
are perpetrating, those ordinary people will not come back.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:51 AM
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18. "Ordinary" people are capable of terrific violence.
All they have to do is feel threatened, and be in a group.

I think it's a mistake to dehumanize a mob with "oh, they're all paid thugs." It justifies violence against them.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:44 AM
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9. You have been seeing the anti-Mubarak protesters.....
...the past few days. They have been reported to be 1 million strong, but Egypt has like 8 million residents, so as things get worse, more people are voicing their displeasure, and they aren't all against the government. The protests have caused everything to shut down and food and gas supplies are depleting and people are getting pissed at the anti-Mubarak protesters because of the shut downs and food shortages.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:46 AM
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11. Mubarak's regime hired a lot of people over the last 30 years
They have a lot to lose if he goes. They are not rich enough to emigrate.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:46 AM
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12. Freedomworks' payroll? Dick Armey's "Army of Dicks"? nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:46 AM
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13. In on buses from a lot of different places.
As I scanned twitter, National Petroleum workers for example.

They don't have the numbers but they do have the impunity to use violence. They are surrounding peaceful protesters and beating them, throwing Molotov cocktails, trashing press equipment. There is a report Anderson Cooper has been hurt. :(
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:47 AM
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14. 100,000 security forces in Egypt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:48 AM
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16. Funny how the pro-mubarak folks have tear gas, isn't it?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:02 AM
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21. Twitter report last night Israel sent weapons, ammo, some troops into Cairo.
I don't have the link, but I posted it. It was noticed because the cargo planes landed after curfew.

And Mubarak had plenty of time to gather his minions in the last 2 days while the Army sneakily blocked all entrances
( exits) in the square, so the people are trapped. One voice report from a woman in the square awhile ago, saying the people cannot get out, the exits are blocked by tanks and pro-Mubarak thugs.

I worried last night about the protesters being "kettled" in the square.
take note if you ever plan to march....stay out of confined areas.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 09:55 AM
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20. Mubarak is no different as Ahmadinejad is.
lashing out at the people.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:02 AM
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22. Lumpenproletariat
Poor, uneducated folk with essentially no stake in society have been an important resource for authoritarian regimes since the tsars recruited their Black Hundreds. They respond to a crude version of patriotism and are easily incited to violence against "elitists" whom the authorities accuse of wrecking the nation.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 10:09 AM
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23. They are cops sent by Mubarak to create chaos so he can justify repression.
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