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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 12:34 PM
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What will happen to all of the torture rendition records... Mubarak dragging his feet for someone
Time must surely be needed to remove all of the torture rendition records implicating our gov't before a new government of the people storm the gates.


It's probably one of the primary reasons Mubarak is running out the clock, even though he's "fed up".


Obama Backs Suleiman-Led Transition, February 5, 2011

MUNICH — The Obama administration on Saturday formally threw its weight behind a gradual transition in Egypt, backing attempts by the country’s vice president, Gen. Omar Suleiman, to broker a compromise with opposition groups and prepare for new elections in September.

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But Mrs. Clinton suggested that the United States was not insisting on the immediate departure of Mr. Mubarak, and that such an abrupt shift of power may not be necessary or prudent.

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Swapping a Dictator for a Torturer in Egypt

James Ridgeway
02/03/2011


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You don’t get much about him in the US corporate media, but Agence France Press has pulled together the basics:

“For US intelligence officials, he has been a trusted partner willing to go after Islamist militants without hesitation, targeting homegrown radical groups Gamaa Islamiya and Jihad after they carried out a string of attacks on foreigners. A product of the US-Egyptian relationship, Suleiman underwent training in the 1980s at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare School and Center at Fort Bragg in North Carolina….

“After taking over as spy director, Suleiman oversaw an agreement with the United States in 1995 that allowed for suspected militants to be secretly transferred to Egypt for questioning, according to the book “Ghost Plane” by journalist Stephen Grey. ..

“In the run-up to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, the CIA relied on Suleiman to accept the transfer of a detainee known as Ibn Sheikh al-Libi, who US officials hoped could prove a link between Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda. The suspect was bound and blindfolded and flown to Cairo, where the CIA believed their longtime ally Suleiman would ensure a successful interrogation, according to “The One Percent Doctrine” by author Ron Suskind. A US Senate report in 2006 describes how the detainee was locked in a cage for hours and beaten, with Egyptian authorities pushing him to confirm alleged connections between Al-Qaeda and Saddam. Libi eventually told his interrogators that the then Iraqi regime was moving to provide Al-Qaeda with biological and chemical weapons. When the then US secretary of state Colin Powell made the case for war before the United Nations, he referred to details of Libi’s confession. The detainee eventually recanted his account."


Thus our loyal ally Egypt provided the fake information used by the United States to justify go to war in Iraq.

Stephen Soldz of the Boston Graduate School of Psychoanalysis and co-founder of the Coalition for an Ethical Psychology provided the following excerpts from authors who discussed Sulieman:

Jane Mayer, in The Dark Side, pointed to Suleiman’s role in the rendition program:

"Each rendition was authorized at the very top levels of both governments….The long-serving chief of the Egyptian central intelligence agency, Omar Suleiman, negotiated directly with top Agency officials. Walker described the Egyptian counterpart, Suleiman, as 'very bright, very realistic,' adding that he was cognizant that there was a downside to 'some of the negative things that the Egyptians engaged in, of torture and so on. But he was not squeamish, by the way'" (pp. 113).


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Reminds me of this. It's how these guys operate.





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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 12:46 PM
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1. Excellent points.
How soon do you expect this to be moved to the dungeon? Times they are a'changin... :hi:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:07 PM
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2. Indeed. Rather than elevating Sulieman to a position of power,
We should be investigating his activities.

I am still at a loss as to how some people have come to believe torture is good.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:24 PM
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4. because it was under Obama
and therefore sacrosanct. And besides, Obama didn't torture as much as Bush, plus it was "good torture," not "bad torture." And if you dangle enough money in front of some people, they'll twist their opinions, logic and compassion into any crazy shape needed to get that reward. At bottom, they're probably sociopaths.
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JanBrady Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:20 PM
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3. k&r
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:42 PM
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5. K&R'd
"If Mubarek remains in power until the next round of elections in September, he'll have eight months in which to track down and eliminate those who have opposed him, . . . destroy evidence, and otherwise improve his own position."
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