I've been wondering what generation American DU'ers are

I'm a second generation American on my mom's side, her dad was born in Poland, and 3rd generation American on my dad's side his grandparents were born in Ireland, so I guess I'm a 2.5 generation American.

I've been wondering about this, because as I see more of these teabaggers and ultraconservatives around, they seemed to be disconnected to their pasts, and the pasts of their families and the struggles they went through to assimilate and be successful.

what the heck ever generation that puts me in

three years before I was born.

:hi:

And if assimilation was the goal, then that is only to make society easier to run, not for the people in society.

compare these two models.

A society where nobody thinks, and work as robots with no thoughts or feelings, doing what they are told. A military structure of society with complete controlled hierarchy.


Compare that to a society of many people that think and feel with many choices and decisions.



The first society is for society ease, or for those that want to control society, the second example is for people in society.

The first example leads to people not existing, and many people with no thought or feeling.

The second example allows for change to occur as society finds many ways to explore concepts of what is existence.

There are many things I can do before and after beer and travel money.

If that was success, then I would be very rich and have plenty of that by a variety of methods.

I chose to use the method, that it is due, to get the beer and travel money.

It actually is not success, many things to do, although I would also keep my eye out for another point to stand on while doing those things, what I have always done.

The beer and travel money is the first time I found a point that can not be explained away, or learned why wrong, and can be shown completely correct, yet has not been corrected. There probably are other points like that.

my Mom is third generation with grandparents from Finland and Italy.

but I think we are all mixed generations.

I think people just like to think they are special and unique together with a lot of other people.

some of them were real scum, they were only unique in the way they screwed each other over. :puke: Family linage doesn't impress me especially when you know the full story. :-(

It's almost like a game at this point, only less bloody and less brutal than in years past.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=357000&mesg_id=357077

Over the generations, we have kept it pretty much between four families and a good many marriages to old Texas families. My ex's family and mine were both in the first-ever Tejano census.

I could go on, but I would probably get burned at the DU stake.

Sonoman

All four of my grandparents were immigrants from Sicily.

From Wales, Canada (not sure where they came from before Canada) and Yorkshire via Canada.

My great-grandparents were born in Europe across the board. I'd love to try and repatriate myself to Europe, but I think being 3rd generation, I'm screwed. :(

so that makes us about 12th generation on one line. Second generation on the other.

Our clans arrived in what is now Angelina County in deep East Texas in 1630, the first Anglos west of the Sabine River and south of the Red River.

Sonoman

My father's family were Norwegians who came from Canada. Which generation ... I guess more than 4 on my mother's side and around 3 on my father's.

edit: added word

Both sets of grandparents emigrated (or rather, fled) from Turkey during World War I.

being the 2nd generation? My daughter in law is 2nd generation Turkish.:-)

Hope that clarifies/corrects things.

11th generation if you just go back to the first immigrant with my father's or my mother's father's surname; the earliest immigrant on my father's side was at Jamestown, and the earliest on my mother's side arrived in Virginia in 1618 (so my family on both sides goes back to before the Mayflower).

the lineage that I know. A couple shoots of the tree have not been traced though.

So how do you put a number on what your generation is? Divide one by the other? I'm waiting for an expert to explain that calculation.

We've all got 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, etc.

Unless all your people got here really recently, it's a mixed bag. For instance, I've got German Jews who came in the mid 1800s, and I've got Mayflower era WASPs.

on most of them.

...in newly formed Augusta County, Virginia. He owned 1415 acres, purchased from the Beverley Manor Land Grant of 1736. William Henderson was born in 1693 in Scotland, but the date of his arrival in the new world is unknown. He likely came over at about the time of the John Lewis land grant in 1732. In any event, he was one of the earliest Scotch-Irish settlers of the Shenandoah Valley, living near "Beverley's Mill," or modern day Staunton, VA. He is recorded in the earliest volume of the original court records of Augusta County which began in 1745: on Feb. 11, 1745 he participated in the appraisal of "Ro. Wilson's estate" and on Feb. 19 1745 he was paid a claim against the newly formed county for "arms and ammunition." He and his wife Susannah were founding members of the Tinkling Springs Presbyterian Church in what is now Fishersville, VA-- they and many of their descendants are buried there.

on edit-- OK, this is fascinating. Another ancestor, William Witt, was born a Huguenot (Guilliaume DeWitte) in France in 1675 and settled in Virginia in 1699, at Manakintown in Powhatan County. I even have a copy of his will-- he died in Albemarle County in 1754. Geneology is a wonderful hobby! (It's not mine-- all these records were given to me years ago by my mother.)

My grandparents and great grandparents, from each side of my family, emigrated the same as yours did, and from the very same places, Poland (maternal grandparents) and Ireland (paternal great grandparents)... :hi:

In a sense.

I am the walrus. Goo goo g' joob. :D :hi:

:)

:evilgrin: :)

My mother immigrated here cause she married my dad, an American, but his family dates back to when New York was New Amsterdam.

My father's grandmother was a Native American, a Cherokee, so I don't know how many generations that might be. My family has been in this country for so many centuries that I feel American with no other ethnic connection which is probably my loss.

Each on a different trip. I thought that was interesting., I have no idea how many generations that might be, Don't know how to figure it out. Some say a generation is 20 years, others say 30. I personally think it must be 20 as that is the average age to start a new generation, but back when my ancestors came to the 'New World' it was probably 15 or 16 years.
While my family has had participants in every conflict this 'New' nation has been involved in, a fair number of them have been elected to public office, several ambassadors,(one to the court of St. James) and one Vice President of the US, and I (and most of my family) are Pro socialist liberal. But, I have to tell you, I just don't understand these 'New Comers'. These people have no sense of history. Makes you wonder if they have read any history? or read anything?

and that can be anywhere from 15 years to 60 or more. (Genealogical "generations" are NOT the same thing as sociological "generations" as in Gen X, Baby Boom, and so on.)

He immigrated to North Dakota, with his family, in 1905. My mothers father immigrated from Sweden and she was born in Wild Rose, Washington. I assume that this makes me a first generation American.

in Boston, MA in 1656. I do genealogy as a hobby and all my direct blood lines where here in America around or before the 1750's.

Although I'm ⅛ English and ⅛ Cherokee, and I think that goes back a bit further. But I'm pretty sure both of my maternal grandparents and my paternal grandmother were 1st generation.

Someone left the host a voice mail telling him to go back to Mexico but turns out he is 7th generation of San Antonio TX
family!
Also I think you meant ' American Born ' because I am going to guess your relatives who came here became American citizens eventually....sorta teabaggerish not to consider them American too .... IMO

early 1800's on dad's side (British / Welsh).

in the 1600s and 1800s. My father's side of the family is harder to trace. I don't know when my paternal grandmother's people showed up, or even who any of them were. My paternal grandfather's people were here when my mom's people arrived.

Even with over a 150 year head start on the Founding Fathers thing, I'm only eleventh and twelfth generation, descended from the Strangers of the Plymouth Colony experiment. Through extended memory, photographs, and written documents, I have intimate knowledge of only five generations. My son is working on six.

3rd & 4th on my dad's.

Eligible for the DAR on the other. Where do I fit?

Three of my grandparents came from what is now the Slovak Republic in the 1910s. One was born in PA, but was the daughter of Slovak immigrants.

My grandparents were all from what was then Austria-Hungary, now after a century of changeable borders and flags, Ukraine. Three of them came through Ellis Island. My mother says that when she started school, she didn't speak English.

Three of my grandparents came to the U. S. through Ellis Island from what was Austria-Hungary. I was told that today the region they came from is called Slovakia. My maternal grandmother and two of her sisters came through Ellis Island from the Ukraine.

My daughter has done extensive genealogical research on my side and that of my husband. His grandparents were all born in Italy. Apparently Italy kept very good records as she was able to find solid evidence about their birth region as well as sailing manifests from the ships that brought some of them to Ellis Island. She had very little luck with trying to track down my ancestors for a lot of reasons. Surnames were often phonetically entered into arrival logs and some immigrants intentionally Americanized their surnames.

Mother's side pre-revolution from England - Father's side WWII from Italy.


My mother was disowned by her parents for many years for marrying a foreigner.

from Germany

My father's came from Flanders in the 1620s. Of course, there are a lot of ancestors when you go back that many generations, but those are the ones I am familiar with.

Anywhere from 4th to 5th generation depending on which side of the family I'm looking at.

Although there was one English ancestor, Sarah Allyn, who was kidnapped after the Deerfield (MA) massacre by the Indians (1700s), brought to Canada, sold to the French, married a Frenchman, took a French name, and lived the rest of her life in Canada.

But mostly my French ancestors came to Canada in the 1500s and migrated to the US in the late 1800s.

Some were here rather early in the European settlement and some arrived quite late. A precise calculation would be very difficult

group. I think my grandfather's family was also here quite a while. I don't know my heritage on my mother's side because she died when I was quite young and I was separated from the family, but rumors are that my maternal grandmother was part Cherokee. I know absolutely nothing about my grandfather's background.

Ancestry.com might be in order for me. I regret only knowing half my ancestry.

but my mother's family landed in Connecticut in 1632, so however many generations that is. Based on my family alone, I'd have to agree with your premise that ultraconservatives are more disconnected with their pasts, as my mother's side runs from centrist to conservative to tea bagging for Jesus.

But the hypothesis doesn't hold up across the board. While my father's family are liberal (or at least, liberal-leaning), my father himself was very conservative. I think he was race-passing, although of course he didn't think of it that way himself.

:shrug:

lol finally Googled it :o

No category for those of us not born here

One of my grandparents came here from Ireland as a child in 1879. Another came in the early 1900s. A third was of a family here since the 1700s. And the other was native to this land.

... was originally settled by immigrants from the Palatine German immigration to the Robert Livingston Estate in 1710 or so. Most everyone in both sides of my family goes back to that immigration. I've traced back one ancestor born in Germany (Mosel River Valley) in 1684 and immigrated to New York in 1710.

by a hurricane while on its way to resupply the Virginia Company which was starving (none died in the hurricane, and the ship got there a year later after rebuilding it from timber on Bermuda). One from that family was among the earlier 1585 "Lost Colony of Roanoke". Other side of the family settled in the 1650s. Both sides were less-famous sea captains and investors among the English privateers for Elizabeth I (one side of the family was deposed by the Tudors, while the other side was related to them, but both still sailed for her). All branches are pre-revolutionary except one, the most recent immigrant, in 1810. Mostly 1650s to 1750s.

Yes, sometimes it does get annoying listening to the recent-immigrant baggers drone on about "the Founders". 400 years here is a long, long time, ya know? That doesn't count for everything but it does count for something.

The baggers are always so eager to rashly makeover or burn down what they had no hand in building, sacrificed nothing or comparatively little for, and largely don't understand. A few are "old families" and frankly, they've been trying to ruin things here that long too (see a book called Treason in America: from Aaron Burr to Averrell Harriman by Anton Chaitken for the whole rundown on what they've been doing that long). They've been neocons for 400 years. And it was the same in Britain before that. If you trace the families, you can trace the trouble (most of the "ugly past" in America is their doing - as it is in the present). Very few people understand that, the opposing families/agendas from day-one here - and that's why few understand history (but think they do). It's always the same game, with the same players. Back and forth the struggle goes... sort of like an ongoing civil war, covert-style. And yes, the "bad guys" most of the time have "the wealth" too, which makes it difficult. (Whenever the "good guys" amass a fortune, the neocons find a way to take it over by some treachery or other - they never do anything fairly, or by the rules, or legitimate law.) The neocons of today were the Tories of yesterday, and they've always been the plutocrats since forever (I traced it back to Jerusalem during the Crusades, and didn't try further, but I assume it continues). Obviously, it was the other anti-plutocrat side that set up this "experiment" called the USA that we live in, and try to keep, as Ben Franklin said.

The ancestors of the neocon-elite that were around then at the founding, came here to torpedo it. And failed. So they shifted gears then and focused on plundering it and corrupting it back around into their sort of nightmare. I'm sad to say that in my time they are largely succeeding. But this is nothing new, it ebbs and flows. And I have no doubt that in time things will improve again - with lots of struggle of course, as it always is and always will be.

Look at the elites of the baggers and neocons, and trace back their families, and you will find them all in Chaitkin's book. As they are doing today, so they have always done in the past. Look at our history in that light, and suddenly it makes a lot more sense. And THAT'S how to know what's going to happen in the future. They keep pulling the same games - they just wait for a new generation that hasn't seem them yet, and pull the same ones out again. The same rhetoric and logic too, it's really remarkable. (How old would you guess the "free trade" game is, for instance?)

Anyway, just thought you might be interested in a little extra info since you asked.

I never knew who my father was, but really don't care as he was never there anyhow. My great great grandmother only had a first name, given to her when she was "civilized." (whatever that means)

I'd have to say, don't know, don't care though, because of no father.

:shrug:

...but they go way, way back I'm sure.

from Rotterdam with 40 bucks in my pocket. 1964.

The oldest came here before the revolution (I think 1713 on my mom's side, and 1763 on my dad's, but I could be misremembering), while the most recent were turn of the century.

so guess you include me in the "teabaggers and ultraconservatives".
I've really never been concerned about the ancestor thing. Doesn't
have a thing to do with who I am today. Does it really make a difference
in your life today according to which "ship" someone sailed? Guess I
just don't see the significance.......sorry

some of us just don't know, or don't find significance in it. My observation has been that conservatives and teabaggers are so removed from their roots and their history. The sense of what has come before them is completely lost. Whether that loss is because of their removal from the "immigrant experience" or because of their stupidity is what I'm interested in learning.

3rd generation Prussian/Polish/German on my Mom's side.
My Dad's family thought we were Irish until I was 12. My cousin got a book from the state capitol library and by gosh we are English/Welshish.
They had a big party and we all read the book. All the grown-ups got shit-face as usual and made jokes about the ancestors in the book. Them being American Revolutionaries took the sting out of not being Irish.

At my Mom's side parties, one of my Mom's 8 sisters would always start a fight, and in a huff, drag off a cousin or two.

9 daughters 2 sons, who does THAT any more?

All four of my grandparents were born in Eastern Europe.

My parents immigrated from India.

My Black AKA African ancestors go back to at LEAST the early 1800s.
But I ALSO have Native American roots too. And obviously those go back 1000s of years.
A little bit of White is in me too. I presume this European ancestry goes back about as far as my African ancestry in this country, maybe slightly further.

But basically I came from the people who built this thing called the United States with their blood, sweat & tears (The Africans made to be slaves) who go back over 200 & 300 years.
AND I came from the people who lived in this land (The Natives of the land to be called America) before that Italian goof Vespucci named my ancestors' land after him. These people go back 1,000s of years.

I'm BEYOND American.
John Lucas

about to leave the USA

Upteenth generation on my mothers side, had some slave owners there, even some indian blood.

some of the 14th generation have now been born.

The 4 major lines(Paternal)met at Valley Forge and traveled west together intermarrying as they did so.

Granddad was a WW I draft dodger from Austria.

DAR on my dad's side going back to 1634. 4th generation on my mom's side.

there should be a not sure button, on both sides I am part Native American Cherokee and Crow. On my mom's side there were two immigrations first to Canada then to the US, on my dad's side it's impossible to know for sure when they came over because they are African American.

I grew up knowing mostly about my mom's side of the family, Irish immigrants who came here between 1880 - 1910. Irish Republicans, IRA supporters etc. Although my maternal grandparents were pals with the Duke of Windsor (weird & long story)

Two years ago my aunt, my dad's sister, sent me a family history. On my father's side they've been here a bit longer, 1632 for the first lot, 1700 for the second group. Mostly settled in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware with a small group in Rhode Island. There's a family farm in PA. which was deeded to my ancestors by William Penn, it's still owned by one of my relatives. There's a house in New Castle, DE that's been owned by my dad's family since the mid 1700's. My great, great grandfather was business partners with Richard King, shipping and eventually the King Ranch in Texas.

None of this means anything as far as being more or less American which is another notion that seems to have skipped many teabagger's tiny brains.

the ships Ark and Dove first landed in the Chesapeake Bay on 27 March 1634. (Two of my ancestors were aboard; perhaps we're related.)

a Dutch coal miner. Grandmother was a French girl who met grandfather when he was working in a coal mine town in Belgium. She became pregnant, they married and then ran off to the United States. Grandfather worked in the coal mines around Westville, Illinois. He retired from coal mining in the late 50s with black lung disease. They had six children, and the oldest died shortly after being born.

My gr-grandparents came here from Norway.