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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:06 PM
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I have a question about the DREAM Act.
This is sheer ignorance on my part, but the way it stands doesn't it present some potential problems? Not everyone can either go to college or join the military, so what happens if, let's say one sibling wants to take that route but there's another for whom it's not an option (disability, newborn, some such). Wouldn't the first out the second by applying? Or the parents, for that matter. What did they have to say about that?
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:10 PM
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1. Depends on the application rules/process
Sorry - haven't seen those kinds of details, only that the minimum is entry before 16, 5+ consecutive years in the country and under 35.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 10:55 PM
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2. Then they become citizens and try to sponsor everyone else legally.
It really is a backdoor to amnesty. And it is pay to play...look at the fraudulent colleges taking the Governments student loan money and hardly graduating anyone. All you need is to be enrolled for two years. You don't even need to graduate.

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getthefacts Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 11:36 PM
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3. That is not correct
Eligible DREAMers would have to go through a period of conditional residency of 10 years before they became Permanent Residents and wait other five years prior to becoming citizens. By then, in theory, they could apply for residency for their parents assuming that the parents are not illegally in the country (if that is the case, the parents would have to leave the country and wait for the 10-year bar before reentering and being eligible for the benefit). A 25 year waiting period can't be called backdoor amnesty. Please be careful about spreading misinformation about the legislation.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 04:33 AM
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7. It is backdoor amnesty because all it takes is two years in college
There is nothing that separates out real colleges from these scams that anyone can get into if they have the funds. It is pay to play and a backdoor amnesty.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 04:37 AM
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8. it's not amnesty because these children did not commit a crime in the first place n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:45 AM
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10. Let's not let facts get in the way
:)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:57 PM
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11. Is it possible to live an entire life here illegally without having committed some sort of identity
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 03:58 PM by dkf
Theft? Without having driven without a license or having submitted a false social security number or asserting they were here legally? Do they have no bank accounts, no jobs ever that they did not report income on?

The Asian drum major who admitted to tutoring students for cash committed the crime of tax evasion after all.
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getthefacts Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:45 AM
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13. Yes.
In fact, I'm one of them. I have a driver's license and a social security number, I pay my taxes yearly. I even hired an attorney and gave myself up to immigration in the hopes they would put me into deportation proceedings were I could ask I a judge to allow me to stay. ICE denied my request, saying that I did not qualify for their investigative priorities at that time.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:49 AM
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14. Yes.. As long as one does not get involved with the legal system or law enforcement
There are many people here (and other places in the world) who maintain a low profile life, work for cash (under the table) and who have others who are legal, handle things for them...such as bank accounts, rental agreements, etc.

Most of these people earn very little and would probably not "owe" taxes anyway, so their tax evasion is more of an "omission" than anything else.

They live in the shadows, and as long as they are willing to be used & abused, they stay here.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:17 AM
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5. That's not at all true
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 12:18 AM by proud2BlibKansan
The bill specifically said these kids couldn't sponsor anyone else.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:20 AM
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9. Wikipedia says they can sponsor parents and siblings after 12 years under the 2010 ruling.
Still better than the 20 years I've heard is the current Situation.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act?wasRedirected=true
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:26 AM
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6. Oh whoa, an example of a true progressive here
:sarcasm:

I wonder what Jon Kyle's screen name is.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:31 PM
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12. +1
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:53 AM
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15. SOP for that cat.
You should have seen the "WTC mosque" response from the poster.
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getthefacts Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 11:39 PM
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4. ICE is so overwhelmed right now
that the agency is not even pursuing other illegal residents in the country, as long as they are otherwise law abiding. Also, one sibling putting one application in doesn't automatically imply that the other sibling is undocumented. Most of the undocumented families in the country are mixed status anyway (residents, citizens and undocumented together)
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