The argument I hear the most from Cons, RW'ers, ...

...radio talkshow junkies, and FAUX watchers against a universal or "single-payer" government health insurance system:

"Why should I pay for your health care?"
And usually this question is peppered with a few "lazy" and "deadbeat" descriptions thrown in.

This is maddening but a very popular sentiment.
First off...they apparently do not understand how insurance, in general, works or they would not be saying stupid shit like that.
They act like the insurance premiums they pay just pay for themselves when they need treatments.
The "shared risk" and "pooled money" that insurance is about escapes them.
By paying an insurance premium they ALREADY ARE paying for others and the rising rates for those without insurance altogether.

I am so sick of stupidity.



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When he said "Why should I pay for your health care?" I replied, "Why should I pay your salary?"

End of conversation.

A more relevant question, I believe.

to the politicians, OR the advertising on television and magazines?

in general has always taken the "I'm in the boat,fuck you-tread water" opinion

SBD: AEG, Farmers Insurance sign $600M naming-rights deal for downtown L.A. stadium
PUBLISHED Tuesday, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:05 am EST


Five days before the Super Bowl will be played at a stadium without a corporate name, AEG today will announce that it has signed Farmers Insurance to a 30-year, $600 million naming-rights deal for a proposed 1.7 million square foot, 68,000-seat football stadium in downtown Los Angeles that has no architect, no site approvals and no NFL team.
The proposed billion-dollar stadium will be called Farmers Field. Some of the parties involved in the deal were touting it as the largest naming-rights contract ever. Farmers CMO Kevin Kelso called it an exceptional branding play, especially crucial now, with the always-competitive insurance market spending more than ever on media and sports marketing assets.


Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-02-01/sbd-aeg-farmers-insurance-sign-600m-naming-rights-deal-for-downtown-la-stadium

Model a health insurance system like Canada's right here in the USA!!


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This is AMERICA - where the market rules. You can't just go around doing things in the most efficient, equitable or humane way.

Duh.

With some markups - health care providers work covering the uninsured into their costs, then the insurance companies work that in via higher premiums, and there is NO ONE regulating how much of a markup on top of that they're adding.

That's right.... make buying health insurance illegal. Close down all the companies and make them give back the money they have taken from people.

What's left then? Everybody is covered by govt. programs and everybody becomes equal.

As it is, today, if you have money, you will get nearly instsant health care.
If you are poor you may not get any health care.

The inequality is astounding and needs to be eliminated.

dumbasses

I worked in a hospital billing office when I was in college. The hospital wrote off lots of indigents' bills. They just rolled all those costs into everyone else's bills. People wonder why they have to pay twenty bucks for an aspirin. This is one of the reasons why. The hospital where I worked in was a non-profit, but I have no doubt the for-profits do the same. No way they'd write off the bills of those unable to pay out of the goodness of their own hearts, and reduce their profits. They just pass it off to their other customers, just like every other business.

People who don't want to insure the poor are just making it a hundred times worse for themselves. The longer these people don't deal with their health issues, the worse they get, and the more expensive they are to treat. And, the more YOUR insurance costs in the long run.

They'll never let that one go, no matter how much you disprove it. They try to point to Canada as proof that socialized medicine is a disaster, when the fact of the matter is that Canada has some of the best healthcare in the world. But good luck ever trying to convince them of that.