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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:12 AM
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Are Fairness and Transparency dead in USA? Google let's JC Penney cheat
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 08:42 AM by KurtNYC
I'm still getting used to the idea that our government is spending our tax dollars to lie to us, attack truth tellers and prop up wall street. Now it seems a lack of fair play and accountability is spreading to other American institutions. Google is the dominant player in online search and that power is especially profitable during the holiday season when many cyber shop for Christmas. It looks like JC Penney used a black hat firm to game the search results during the holiday season and Google did almost nothing until the NYT called for an interview on the subject.

In the mid 90s it was common for search engine to sell position in search results and they didn't label the results as "paid." You would bid for the top positions and you would get your slot depending on where your bid ranked. It is very much the way Google Adwords works now but that is in a separate column and is labeled "paid." Google has built and sold trust in its organic search results but it seems like some of those 'organic' results have been using steroids so to speak.

JCPenney went through a middle man and bought thousands of links on thousands of pages over months. They used the links to boost JCPenney in search results for common items. It looks like they just kept buying links until they got the number one slot. And what did Google do? Well for starters they cashed the monthly $2.5 million check that JCP wrote them for paid results and then they took their time fixing their 'organic' results:
He said Google had detected previous guidelines violations related to JCPenney.com on three occasions, most recently last November. Each time, steps were taken that reduced Penney’s search results — Mr. Cutts avoids the word “punished” — but Google did not later “circle back” to the company to see if it was still breaking the rules, he said.


So they knew JCP was gaming them but even after 3 violations JCP was #1 for a large number of product searches. Google, it seems, did not confront them ("circle back" is an unusual phrase to apply to someone who is eroding confidence in your brand) and why?....

Here’s another hypothesis, this one for the conspiracy-minded. Last year, Advertising Age obtained a Google document that listed some of its largest advertisers, including AT&T, eBay and yes, J. C. Penney. The company, this document said, spent $2.46 million a month on paid Google search ads — the kind you see next to organic results.

Is it possible that Google was willing to countenance an extensive black-hat campaign because it helped one of its larger advertisers? It’s the sort of question that European Union officials are now studying in an investigation of possible antitrust abuses by Google.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html?sq=google&st=cse&scp=4&adxnnlx=1297688401-uqLKZVoDx1SKS5blOQrXPA&pagewanted=all


edit: $2.5 mil/mo
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:18 AM
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1. There is NOTHING Wrong with what JC Penny did
That is the way SERPs (Search Engine Results Placement) has been working for many years.

What is WRONG with Google's Algorithm that controls SERPs is you HAVE to pay some one. Either it be Google or 1000s of "Pay Per Click" links to get Top Placement it is all about the money - Not the Content, Not the Relevance.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:51 AM
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4. I agree with the quoted statement that Google is good on informational searches
but lags on commercial searches. Hundreds of links from totally unrelated low ranking pages shouldn't count for anything.

JCP did what works apparently, but Google may be underestimating the long term damage to their brand that this may have. It sets the stage for a rival to come in and dominate on commercial searches. I'm thinking someone held to be unbiased like "Consumer Reports." Or something like Priceline -- just taking that model, multi realtime comparison searches from major outlets, and applying it to a much broader range of search traffic.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:18 AM
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6. Actually Google is LESS Relevant by this
Just as we proved here by "Google Bombing" MISERABLE FAILURE to Bush's White House profile

But it certainly does sell "Pay Per Click"
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:26 AM
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2. While I don't know anything about this -- deception is our new reality. Nt
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:44 AM
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3. Thanks for this article. It clears up a lot about Google for me.
Happy Valentine's Day!
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:18 AM
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5. thanks. I thought there was also something epic about JC Penney
still fighting after 109 years. They started in 1902 in Wyoming and the rest is legend: The guy's name was James Cash Penney (Cash Penny ?!). The company is wildly popular in the 1920s opeing 500 stores by 1924 and then 500 more by 1928. Sam Walton worked for JCP in 1940. They buy a bank, etc, etc.

But on Google, the basic concept is strong -- that the number of relevant sites linking to another site is used as a kind of vote. For instance the number of sites linking to Wikipedia articles boosts the ranking of each of the individual wikipedia pages which is why you see wikipedia near the top of many informational searches. But where real money is at stake, shopping searches, there is a kind of battle going on and Google is in charge of the game.
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