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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:51 PM
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Has there ever been a comprehensive debunk of the 'media is left-wing' meme?
Looking to quash this on another board, where some idiot is INSISTING that CNN and MSNBC are left-wing, everyone knows it and "it isn't even debateable." Naturally, when challenged, he has ZERO examples of this left-wing bias, but it's so well-known, I guess the idea is that he doesn't HAVE to come up with examples. Nice work if you can get it, huh?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:53 PM
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1. yes. basically by looking at ownership & editorial patterns.
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 02:54 PM by Hannah Bell
those "media is left" rants are basically about reporters who register as D.

it's pitiful & shows how politically/economically naive many americans are.

as if reporters dictate coverage to their bosses & editors.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:59 PM
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6. Yeah, I tried pointing to a couple op-eds, but of course,
he dismissed them with a wave of his hand, saying, "oh, everyone knows that one is liberal, this one is a Democrat." Like, :wtf:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:18 PM
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11. that's what they'd like people to think. but a moment's thought tells anyone
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 03:19 PM by Hannah Bell
with a brain that the employees don't make the policies.

hence the need to blow a lot of smoke to obscure that basic point.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:54 PM
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2. Here's what Keith had to say on the subject
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 06:11 PM
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18. You mean, "Here's what BartCop had to say -- not Keith."
Note than in this piece, Keith is quoting our own BartCop as being the one who properly summed up the 'liberal media' situation. I can't figure why Keith and so many other liberal talkers continue to quote BartCop and use his material without doing the smart thing and HIRING him (he could use the money), but at the very least Bart ought to get the credit when it's due.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 06:17 PM
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19. Keith credits Bartcop in the piece. nt
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:54 PM
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3. Yes, an entire book by Eric Alterman, "What Liberal Media?"
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:58 PM
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5. Excellent, thank you.
:)
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 02:57 PM
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4. If the media WERE left, everyone would know about Prescott Bush and the Nazis.
They would understand why Limp balls and others have to call the left "Nazis" to obfuscate the obvious that not only has the right been allied with actual Nazis and if the BBC is to be believed, even tried to install a fascist regime in America ousting FDR, but the very fact that few know these words indicates that the concept that the media are left is such a crock.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 04:08 PM
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16. The "Business Plot" is pretty much proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler">General Smedley Butler gave testimony as such. The right in this country, supported by industry, attempted a violent overthrow of FDR's Presidency. That's how the right reacts when it doesn't get its way, although their methods are a bit more covert now.

I think the "Business Plot" could make for a fantastic movie someday. They'd just need to find a producer and director with enough guts to make it.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:03 PM
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7. Yes
Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman 's Manufacturing Consent (published around 1981). Also his Necessary Illusions, which is available free online (can be read online).
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:03 PM
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8. "The Republican Noise Machine" by David Brock is pretty clear on it, so is some of John Dean's
work (and note that they both were/are aligned to some degree with the Right).
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:04 PM
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9. Al Franken's "Lies & The Lying Liars" takes a pretty good stab at it.
I believe (I haven't read it) Eric Alterman wrote a book called "What Liberal Media" but I'm not sure that the kind of person you're describing would be amenable to arguments/information presented in either book. :shrug: I guess CNN and MSNBC are "liberal" if he considers anything less than the blatant right-wing propaganda manufactured by Fox News to be "liberal". CNN and MSNBC don't appear to be particularly consistent, ideologically, but, based on my own observation, CNN seems to have a larger share of right-wing/conservative/GOP-oriented contributors and pundits while MSNBC seems a little more "balanced" with some more left-leaning contributors and pundits like Maddow, Schultz, and (previously) Olbermann. We got rid our cable last spring, so I haven't watched any recent news shows, so I don't know what it's like now but that was my general sense of both stations when I was still following anything on them.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:17 PM
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10. For years but trying to convince wingers of it would be....
like trying to convince them that Jesus was liberal.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:31 PM
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13. yep. and Jesus was liberal. St Paul, on the other hand, was a neocon
Often the way I deal with Christians is by telling them that I'm a devout follower of Jesus (true, within reason), but I think that St. Paul was sent by Satan to corrupt the message of Christ with a message of hatred, and largely succeeded. And then Constantine finished the job.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:21 PM
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12. You'd have to first debunk the myth that there's even a Left in the US n/t
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 03:37 PM
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14. FAIR does much in that vein...
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 04:01 PM
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15. Bursting the myth happened prior to the myth.
Ben Bagdikian's 'The New Media Monopoly' was published in the early 80's and presaged the medium as we now know it.

His premise (media is a wholly owned commodity of large corporations that have one interest and one only-- to enlarge the profit margin) in and of itself destroys the myth of any so-called 'liberal media.'
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 04:10 PM
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17. But the corporate media would never tell that to the American People, they would prefer
a brainwashed populace focused on materialistic, short term, narrow, selfish thinking and so long as the people buy into the "liberal media" myth; the easier the task for a mercenary, for profit driven, corporate supremacist media to wage war on the American People's fiscal and social consciousness.
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