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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:59 PM
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We all should know what to do in case of a nuclear strike
I am sure a lot of you did a lot of head scratching when those stories started to come back out. I mean, nuclear holocaust... this is how to live though one... WTF? Not like AQ has the delivery capacity.... well now with the crisis in the Koreas getting much hotter, and the N. Koreans have SOME limited capacity to deliver, those stories make sense.

Just saying that at times there are reasons for this crap and now we are seeing it.

By the way I got CNN on... not that we have much news even if we are hours from exercises starting.

It can be nasty, it will be nasty, if those two go to war.

There are series of interlocking alliances, including us, Canada, Turkey, Greece, you know the UN Force. Of course there is the mutual aid treaty between Pyonyang and Beijing.

Now unlike 1953 China IS a nuclear power, and so are we. The ONLY way that we might survive a nuclear war would be a very limited exchange, a limited nuclear war, and even that would see horrific losses and quite possibly a nuclear winter... anything beyond that... enters MAD...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

If you really want a good idea of how much unwinable that is watch War Games. Might be a nice sci fi movie, but the ending is quite accurate... when the computer decides that this is not a game anybody can win. Now what would be nice is if our lovely government decided to treat us like adults and tell us, look we may be at war with Korea, it may involve a nuke or two... why we need to dust off all them plans from the cold war for civil defense. At this point I don't care who is in DC. I am tired of getting treated like a child.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:03 PM
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1. I'm pretty sure in case of nuclear attack we are supposed to Stop! Drop! And Roll!
:shrug:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:05 PM
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3. Actually that is what they rolled back out
they literally told us how a nuke going off in downtown LA is survivable, to stay indoors, and all that crap.

Yep, they dug up the Cold War era civil defense plans. All that we still need is... the duck and cover movies on the TV. Perhaps they are under production, AGAIN. I mean the black and white ones look hockey as hell these days.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:07 PM
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6. I thought "Duck and Cover" only worked if you had one of the nuke deflecting school desks.
Do they still make those?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:11 PM
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9. I am sure some of them still are in service in inner city
schools. Lucky duckies?

:sarcasm:

But on a serious note... they do have really old books and desks.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:55 PM
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26. Here's a 2007 version of it.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 06:23 AM
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30. No, that's what you do if you're on fire
or your clothes are burning. Now, that could certainly happen in a nuclear explosion. However, Stop, Drop and Roll is what you do if you're on fire anywhere for any reason.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:05 PM
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2. There was a long thread about this yesterday morning in GD:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:06 PM
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4. Good that you still had the perma link
I didn't.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:09 PM
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7. Naahh, better than your average bear memory, at least for now.
But at age 58 I don't anticipate my memory getting anything but worse.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:12 PM
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10. Good that you still have that memory
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:06 PM
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5. It was good info -those who live near likely targets of a single blast should be aware of the study
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:10 PM
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8. OLD info
and why are they not going into the REAL REASONS?

That is the freaking point. Stop treating the population like a bunch of children.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:15 PM
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11. I can remember one of my favorite books from high school: "Alas Babylon" by Pat Frank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas,_Babylon

Plot summary

Randy (Randolph) Bragg, the protagonist, is a man who dabbles at law and lives a life with little purpose. He lives in the small, Central Florida town of Fort Repose, which was founded by an ancestor during the 19th century. The scion of a once prominent political family, Bragg is a former Korean War infantry officer whose own foray into public life was a run for the state legislature which proved disastrous because of his open support for racial desegregation based on the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education. Randy's life appears to be drifting down a somewhat aimless path when he receives a telegram from his older brother, Colonel Mark Bragg, an Air Force Intelligence officer currently serving with the Strategic Air Command (SAC) at its headquarters outside of Omaha, Nebraska. In the telegram, Mark informs Randy that he is sending his wife and two children to stay in Fort Repose, and that he wants to meet with Randy during a brief layover at McCoy AFB, in Orlando. The telegram ends the message with an ominous code: "Alas Babylon", a Biblical reference that the Bragg brothers employed throughout their lives to warn of danger. Only this time, as Randy would soon learn, it foretold a more ominous warning.

Randy drives to McCoy Air Force Base and meets Mark's arriving plane. While the jet is refueled, Mark explains to Randy the background for sending the urgent message. The Soviets evidently perceive a weakness in US and Allied defense posture and are believed to be staging an attempt to take advantage of the situation. A defecting Soviet military officer has brought the Russian "war plan" to the West. Mark believes the Russian plan is flawed and that the West would ultimately prevail, but danger lies in Moscow's belief that they can succeed, which emboldens them to risk war. Mark informs Randy that he is flying his family down to Florida to stay with him indefinitely - or until Mark feels the threat has passed. The brothers soon say their goodbyes, and Randy realizes that he may never see Mark again. Heading back to Fort Repose, Randy privately warns those people of Fort Repose whom he believes to be his friends of the impending war, including Dr. Daniel Gunn (perhaps Randy's closest friend in Fort Repose) as well as Elizabeth "Lib" McGovern, a young woman for whom Randy has come to care deeply.

During the early hours of the next morning, Randy drives to Orlando airport to meet his sister-in-law (Helen) and her two children (Peyton and Ben Franklin) arriving from Omaha. Meanwhile, in the Eastern Mediterranean, a U.S. Navy task force is being shadowed by unidentified (and presumably hostile) aircraft. The USS Saratoga launches a pursuit aircraft to intercept, identify and (if necessary) shoot down the "bogie". Ensign "Pee Wee" Cobb, is flying the pursuit plane, an F-11 Tiger off the coast of Syria (a Soviet ally) and locates the unidentified aircraft. he is given permission to pursue and attack. Cobb closes on the "bogie" and fires a heat-seeking missile. The missile goes off course because the enemy plane shuts off its engines, and the missile hits an ammunition depot at Latakia, Syria, resulting in an explosion that may or may not have included nuclear devices. This event becomes the apparent casus belli for the Soviet Union to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States and her allies.

Early the following morning, Mark is on duty at SAC headquarters at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska, known as "The Hole". He and fellow officers express concern that reports of unidentified submarines ("skunks") approaching the US Eastern seaboard overnight, coupled with Moscow's unsettling silence following the attack at Latakia may signal the Kremlin is preparing to launch an attack. Mark recommends to SAC's commander, General Hawker, that SAC ask Washington to transfer the direct authority to use nuclear weapons, since the weapons-release process takes about a minute and a half, and the U.S. expects only about a fifteen minute warning if the Soviet Union were to attack. This is granted. Minutes later, radar stations report what appear to be inbound Soviet missiles from over the Arctic, as well as possible submarine-launched missiles heading toward the East Coast. Mark realizes what he feared most has arrived and turns to walk back to his office. General Hawker orders all SAC facilities to go immediately to Red Alert. As Mark leaves, General Hawker says to him, "Thanks for the 95 seconds."


It might have made sense back then, not so much today.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:19 PM
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15. Might be a good novel to use in teaching the history of the cold war
:-)

At least will the ambience well.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:15 PM
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12. In case of a nuclear strike
I'm ging to drink my good wine and then move on to the good scotch while I still have taste buds to enjoy it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:20 PM
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16. Yep... where I am
a full exchange we will not even feel it.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:16 PM
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13. Well I've had some KI on hand now for a few years
A "oh-you-never-know-just-in-case" sort of thing.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:17 PM
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14. I thought my elementary school desk was supposed to protect me?
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:22 PM
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17. The Chinese aren't going to nuke us over North Korea
It would make it impossible to get their bonds cashed in. Besides, they'll just buy us up, bit by bit, it keeps the wealth intact.

If the North Koreans pull the nuclear trigger, they will be all on their own, and China will give a silent nod to anyone who wants to end this problem once and for all.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:26 PM
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19. Why I said N. KOREA has very limited delivery
capacity.

:-)

Not expecting one to land, but all these stories suddenly make sense.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:24 PM
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18. As a child I was told to stick my head under the desk. Then my sil
came back from boot camp and told us what they said, "bend over and kiss your balls goodbye". When I read your subject line my instinct said, "I don't need to know because I live out here in the boom docks". But I guess I will read your link anyhow.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:27 PM
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20. Oh MAD will get you too
in the form of a very deep nuclear winter, of course this is an absolute worst case...
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:31 PM
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21. Oh, I hadn't thought of that.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:33 PM
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22. The drill I learned in school:
1 - Bend over
2 - Kiss your ass goodbye
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:39 PM
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23. Bend over and kiss our asses goodbye?
Me? I want to be ground zero in a nuclear strike, I don't even want to hang around.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:44 PM
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24. I think I won't worry about that one at this time.
I ate the radioactive snow, ducked under my school desk, worried about 'pinkos' and did the Vietnam war to end all cold war (but it didn't). I'm already way over invested in fear of nuclear holocaust I'll leave this days trading opportunities for younger generations.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:51 PM
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25. Oh absolutely
It just struck me as WTF? And they should treat us as adults who can handle this.

Suffice it to say the US Press is acting like nothing is happening.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:07 PM
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27. We haven't achieved a "MAD" scenario with anyone but Russia.
China and the other nuclear powers especially, do not have the capacity yet to achieve scores or hundreds of strikes. One or two would devastate a couple metropolitan areas, if they accurately hit and were so targeted, but the rest of the country would have minimal casualties. The role of progressives would be to counter war fever and organize against those domestically responsible. People would have to prepare to conduct a fight under very different circumstances. Few would do so, but others would step forward.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 04:26 AM
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28. As a child of the Cold War
the drill is you either get under your wooden school desk (Elementary school), or when a little older (Jr. High) troop out into the hallways, sit on the floor in front of your lockers and cover your head with your arms.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 06:59 AM
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31. and put your history book on your head
or whichever is the biggest heaviest book.. for kids who don't HAVE books and have to share....well, you guys work it out:(
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 04:34 AM
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29. I heard a Russian describe their plan like so
wrap yourself in a sheet and crawl slowly to the nearest cemetery. Slowly, to avoid causing a panic.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 08:06 AM
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32. Is there a 'doom and gloom' forum? nt
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 08:52 AM
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33. Uh, question, Nadin --
HOW THE HELL WOULD WE KNOW IT WAS A NUKE unless we saw it out our window? D'ya think CNN would frikkin mention it? The Government would LIE to prevent 'panic", wouldn't they? Please advise.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 12:41 PM
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34. Yes they would
it is a rally event and a good way to get the people behind the government, and the end of all civil rights,
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 01:02 PM
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35. got a point there. thank you.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 01:02 PM
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36. At my college, there were a couple of rooms
In the basement of the science labs that were radiation proof and probably would handle all but a direct blast. I suspect that some people on campus would go there and be safe if they brought non perishable food. Since I am not in a metro area, I would not expect a bomb for dozens if not hundreds of miles.
What are the pills that you can take to minimize radiation damage to your body. I think that they are some kind of iodine tablets. Does anyone know if they are available OTC to the general public?
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