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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:01 PM
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Drills imminent, according to CNN
this may see return fire from N. Korea.

Tensions are at an all time high.

CNN is actually covering this as breaking news.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:02 PM
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1. Scary. Did not know it was happening now.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:03 PM
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3. International time zone
it IS Tuesday Morning.
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:14 PM
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8. It is Monday in Korea, not Tuesday.
And afternoon, not morning.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:17 PM
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10. Monday afternoon...
or I am losing my mind... :-) which IS entirely possible.

sP
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:18 PM
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12. They were programed for Tuesday and you are correct
this is Sunday... so IT IS Monday... silly me.

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:36 AM
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40. sorry, this just made me laugh
when I would travel to Sydney or Melbourne for a few weeks related to work, my poor mother would always botch the time...and on more than one occasion she was off by more than a day...

so, thanks for the unintentional fun memory!

sP
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:38 AM
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42. Hubby was a PAC sailor
so yes we had that.

Oh and it is on

W7VOA

#ROK media confirm live fire drill underway on Yeonpyeong. #Koreas
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:03 PM
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2. Exercises within an hour
if... Richardson leaves FAST... you know this is on, and not in a good way.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:16 PM
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9. Someone on CNN said Richardson to leave in 4-5 hours
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:17 PM
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11. Yes, Wolf Blitzer, they are supposed to leave for Beijing
You really do not want these two there... and if things get much hotter you can bet they ARE leaving NOW.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:05 PM
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4. Gee we get to watch a war on television
Maybe we can have a Premium cable channel for live coverage of battles.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:06 PM
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6. Hmm that was Gulf War II
I remember CNN taking Tikrit... and it was one of the most fascinating TV ever.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:06 PM
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5. HOLY CRAP they expect a response
Looking to see if CNN has updated their web page... and now to Wolf Blitzer.

Just meeting with the VEEP, Richardson and VEEP, as well as the viceminster for US Affairs, and Richardson was encouraged.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:08 PM
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7. It is not looking very good
Wolf Blitzer...

Folks it is going to happen. We are going to have at the very least a large escalation.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:19 PM
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13. twitter
S. Korean live-fire drill is delayed by fog; could occur in two hours - Reuters
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:26 PM
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16. BBC agrees
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12033330

I don't know about you, but this is pins and needles moment.

I have not felt this way since oh Gulf War II... I SHOULD go get some emergency rations actually, but I am NOT on a frigging Island.

For that I stocked up for a month, and for two weeks me and oonnie, the parrot, hit on those fairly often.

Canned roas beef is vile, but yes there was a short shortage.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:22 PM
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14. Drills by whom? What kind of drills? Why not tell the whole story?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:23 PM
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15. South Korea will hold LIVE NAVAL DRILLS
here

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/19/north.korea.tensions/index.html?hpt=T1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12033330

This looks like war is pretty much imminent.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:26 PM
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17. Idiots.
Why in the hell are they provoking the North? That's just stupid unless you want to get wiped off the face of the Earth. Time for US to wash our hands of this. Yet another fight that we don't need to be in.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:28 PM
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18. Who sunk a naval ship first?
who fired live artillery rounds onto an island full of civilians?

JESUS there are days. this is not coming from the South just being stubborn. N. Korea has been provoking since oh MARCH.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:06 PM
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21. So the response is to use live-fire drills right on the border?
What's the purpose for these drills? Are they strictly NECESSARY? And if so, can't they be conducted far away from the North Koreans?

This is madness. Intentional provocation during a time of tension.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:11 PM
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23. If the South backs down
they will get more.

I don't say I agree, but in the East this is all about saving face. A concept that is pretty much alien to the West.

As far as the citizens are concerned, the leadership has lost quite a bit of it.

Oh and for the North, this is a rite of passage for Kim Jun Un....

There is this Guns of August feel to it.. but this is really what is going on. Of course this is the cliff's notes of this and I hope we are NOT at war coming morning. And I mean you and I... Canada is part of the alliance on one side
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:21 PM
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29. Saving face is alien to the west?
Seriously?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:29 PM
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31. the way it is understood in the east yes
last time you had anybody in the west commit ritual suicide, the extreme in the east,
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:27 PM
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30. appeasing tyrants rarely works
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:11 PM
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24. Is backing down from threats a good idea? Where would that lead?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:50 PM
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19. Expert on right now
The N. Koreans have promised a nuclear war and not just limited to the Peninsula.

We could easily get involved due to 28K troops and all interlocking treaties...

Guns of August... it really has that feeling to me.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:19 PM
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27. If a North Korean response injured or killed one of our soldiers, I don't see how we could avoid
responding.

And if it went nuclear? I can't even imagine what could happen. A nuclear response? Enter China and Russia?

Not to mention, if it turned into a prolonged conflict, even without Chinese and Russian involvement, can the US actually sustain such military action, given our ongoing wars? Would other major powers not see our weakened state as an opportunity?

The worst-case implications are just beyond comprehension.

However, I believe at this point, SK has to call NK's bluff.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:32 PM
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33. For the reasons you stated regarding US
they are doing what they are doing. Uncle Sam has obligations that it cannot meet short of a nuclear response, or a very long war and a general draft.

If we go for the latter, anybody drafted, pack warm, it gets cold there.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 09:51 AM
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49. self delete
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 09:52 AM by Obamanaut
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:01 PM
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20. Oh apparently there was some agreement to defuse
thanks Mr. Richardson. I really do not need another hot war.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:08 PM
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22. Has anybody read this book?
Just wondering.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:12 PM
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25. Yes in college
and good ol' Zbigniew is a cold warrior with a sense of Real Politik...

He also devised the trap that took the USSR apart, something about Afghanistan.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:15 PM
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26. Doesn't it proclaim the imperativeness for us to control Asia....
....as well as around Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan to maintain world dominance?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:30 PM
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32. Yep, why I read it in college
it is a little dated.

It was written at the time when the US did that. OUr dominance IS waning.

I guess future historians will use Mahan's book as one bookend and this one as the other.

They could use the PNAC project, but that came a little late.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:38 PM
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34. Thanks nadinbrzezinski
eom.


Peace,
Xicano
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:21 PM
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28. Oh God!
:-(
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:41 PM
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35. CNN salivates for another war. More viewers! Higher ad rates!
More "business friendly" republicans elected because THE GOOKS HAVE NUKES and you should be AFRAID!!111!!1!!1
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:26 AM
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37. Actually we have no control over S Korea
and the chinese have debatable control over N. Korea.

It is to nobody's benefit to get a hot war that could go nuclear.

Just saying.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:24 AM
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36. From the tweeter
W7VOA

Yonhap: 2 #ROK destroyers forward deployed in Yellow Sea. AFP: #ROK Air Force readied in case of #DPRK attack. #Koreas

Yep went to it now that CNN has forgotten to cover news. Hey, they are at least doing SOME NEW.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:26 AM
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38. Never drink and drill
Trust me on this.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:33 AM
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39. Artillery fire reported: It's on
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 12:35 AM by AlienGirl
http://twitter.com/W7VOA
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:37 AM
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41. It's started
W7VOA

#ROK media confirm live fire drill underway on Yeonpyeong. #Koreas
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 02:20 AM
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43. Excuse me while I yawn
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 02:22 AM by Jack Rabbit
There is nothing new here. These exercises are held every year (including 1977-78, when I was stationed in Korea). And every year the North Koreans have a hissy and rattle their sabers and nothing about it.

I expect them to do nothing again. Why break a perfect record?

It wasn't even that nitwit Kim Jong Il then. His nitwit old man, Kim Il Sung, was still alive.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 02:21 AM
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44. First March
a SK vessel sunk...

Two weeks ago... artillery barrage, the most serious incident since 1953...

This is a more serious hissy fit.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 02:30 AM
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45. Reuters reporter on twitter: Sound of shelling ceases
Reuters reporter on Yeonpyeong says sound of shelling ceases. #Koreas
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck .

VOA_News North Korea Offers Concessions as South Korean Artillery Drill Begins http://bit.ly/hIdgnP
26 minutes ago via twitterfeed
Retweeted by W7VOA and 4 others .

#ROK defense ministry won't confirm drill has ended. Artillery firing still heard on Yeonpyeong by AP reporter. #Koreas
27 minutes ago via TweetDeck
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 09:44 AM
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46. Aaaaaaaannd, nothing happened....
Is anyone else completely unsurprised that these drills went off without response, and that war, breathlessly described as "pretty much imminent" upthread, never materialized?

Sid
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 09:47 AM
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48. no, but I'm finding these endless posts by the OP
panting for disaster, increasingly repulsive.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 09:57 AM
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50. Agreed. Would be too much work to kick 'em all...
but at lease one needed to be revisited this morning.

Sid
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 09:46 AM
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47. tough luck, nadin.
another panting for disaster post from you. didn't pan out. Maybe next time.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:20 PM
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51. o darn, didn't pan out.
I'm sure there is a lot of disapointment now. You know how all of us live on hope for some great catastrophe so we can all suffer to prove some 'trend' or whatever.

good friggen grief.
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