I gotta get this off my chest... Tweety YOU WERE one

of the tools who PUSHED for that fucking war. And now you say it is THEIR shame?

It was a few of us who called them on them fucking lies, and you were NOT one of us....

I hate people rewriting history, that is all.

Oh and that lie has cost a few thousand US Troops, and upwards of a million Iraqis. Alas, the war criminals will sleep well at night...

Ah now I feel that much better.

He did hump Bush's leg. Some forget that.

I remember.

:puke:

he swings whichever way the wind blows

see post #39

Can that be explained ?

I remember seeing him in an interview with Letterman or Leno, or one of those late fuckers, and Tweety was all thrilled to talk about how he was a part of the D.C. club. The tingle up his leg was palpable.

He's a fucking poser who will take whatever side he thinks is winning that day. I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

Even IF I could direct my pee stream to him, I wouldn't!

It's all about ratings and his personal ego. Whoever he perceives to be on top is his friend this week.

in one of the reddest, most militarized counties in the country (not to mention we were the ONLY city, apart from thessalonia, greece, where peaceful anti-war protestors were tear-gassed)

Of course the ever gullible, movie-loving Tweety will tell you that he believed they knew what they were doing.

I will believe that to my last breath.

They knew what they were doing, with the war and with the economy.

-Hoot

I'd say more but my post would reach the dungeon

n 1984, there is a perpetual war between Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia, the super-states which emerged from the atomic global war. "The book", The Theory and Practice of Oligarchic Collectivism by Emmanuel Goldstein, explains that each state is so strong it cannot be defeated, even with the combined forces of two super-states—despite changing alliances. To hide such contradictions, history is re-written to explain that the (new) alliance always was so; the populaces accustomed to doublethink accept it. The war is not fought in Oceanian, Eurasian or Eastasian territory but in the arctic wastes and a disputed zone comprising the sea and land from Tangiers (northern Africa) to Darwin (Australia). At the start, Oceania and Eastasia are allies combatting Eurasia in northern Africa.

That alliance ends and Oceania allied with Eurasia fights Eastasia, a change which occurred during the Hate Week dedicated to creating patriotic fervour for the Party's perpetual war. The public are blind to the change; in mid-sentence an orator changes the name of the enemy from "Eurasia" to "Eastasia" without pause. When the public are enraged at noticing that the wrong flags and posters are displayed they tear them down—thus the origin of the idiom "We've always been at war with Eastasia"; later the Party claims to have captured Africa.

did not surprise me at all. That's the kind of integrity he has always displayed, i.e., none.

One moment deriding the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war after the infamous West Point speech and the next his orgasmic pontificating on how "everyone is a neocon now" after the ridiculous Mission Accomplished snafu.

So, defining Tweety in any way would seem a choice between Mania and Depression among the truly bipolar. :shrug:

Man-crush, bigtime.

He came out against the war well before it started. I posted my own transcription the night he did so and the official transcript when it was available on line. He has always been against the war. His comments about the codpiece were in reference to the pomp, circumstance and spectacle of the moment. ...not the war itself. Tweety is an easy target on a myriad of issues but let's be honest please.

I still remember the night of the mission accomplished speech how Matthews insisted Bush was a hero for what he did and how he landed in that fighter jet. Matthews couldn't help himself that night.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200609210010

when creating a fabrication, is insulting at the least.

reality. tweety was the only journalist to challenge the war.

reality. bush made him hot

so????

MATTHEWS: What's the importance of the president's amazing display of leadership tonight?

<...>

MATTHEWS: What do you make of the actual visual that people will see on TV and probably, as you know, as well as I, will remember a lot longer than words spoken tonight? And that's the president looking very much like a jet, you know, a high-flying jet star. A guy who is a jet pilot. Has been in the past when he was younger, obviously. What does that image mean to the American people, a guy who can actually get into a supersonic plane and actually fly in an unpressurized cabin like an actual jet pilot?

<...>

MATTHEWS: Do you think this role, and I want to talk politically <...>, the president deserves everything he's doing tonight in terms of his leadership. He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics. Do you think he is defining the office of the presidency, at least for this time, as basically that of commander in chief? That <...> if you're going to run against him, you'd better be ready to take away from him.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200604270005

to oppose the war. which is counter to the OP. and he had a hard on for bush during the mission accomplish speech.

so it's not accurate to say Matthews was the only one that displayed skepticism.

And finally, any skepticism Matthews might have had before the war was washed away by his shameful performance during the mission accomplished speech. At that point Matthews was clearly not only for the war but also one of Bush's biggest supporters.

that simple. dont like the man. call him wishy washy. he didnt help. but that is the reality

He was fired specifically because of his opposition to the war.

What glaring examples do you have of Matthews being against the war?

What verifiable examples do you have of him being for it?

Doesn't mean he was pro-Iraq.

I might like HCR but I can still hate the mandate.

but once the war started he was not only behind Bush but I would argue he was one of his biggest supporters.

when it was inevitable, but was always opposed to going into iraq and often said it thru out the years.

war is wrong. this is not a tough concept. i guess facts dont matter

He thought that by declaring Bush a hero that won the Iraq war was a ways of supporting the troops?

DO you have some examples of Matthews oposition to the Iraq war? Because the one guy that truly opposed the war on MSNBC, Donohue, was fired. Why was he fired? Partly because Matthews didn't like him:

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2010/10/chris-matthews-urged-msnbc-to-fire-phil-donahue/

And on the war, I think my numbers would be a lot higher if I were out there beating the drum for this war. In fact, I don't think it, I know it. But I can't be for the war.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

I can't find a reason to be for this war. I've looked, and I can't, so I'm not.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

I don't understand how we can justify the occupied territories. It serves no goal, except the political goal of Sharon within Israel.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

I think people in the Muslim world are going to see this as the Second Crusades.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

I think there are several factors here. Most people agree you have to stop weapons of mass destruction - the question is how. Then there's the emotional response to 9/11, there's an emotional demand for payback, which a lot of journalists are reluctant to question.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

I think we were on the road to greatness at the end of 2001. You had Germans picking up all kinds of terrorists in their country. The world was united behind us. Even Iran was helping out. There was an active effort to stop al-Qaida.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

Most Americans don't travel much - some of these guys never leave the country. Still they say, 'They hate us already. It doesn't matter what we do in Iraq.' But nothing's more dispiriting than saying there's nothing we can do.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

Motives are so hard to get to. There are people opposed to this war who are trying to stop it, and there are people who are just posing as critics.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

Somebody should have stood up and said, 'Mr. President, I'm turning in my resignation. I care about your policies and what you came here to do, but I cannot defend my role in a coverup of your obvious misbehavior.'
Quotation of Chris Matthews

We're taking on a billion people. A battle for Baghdad could ignite a war with Islam.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

We've always had a dual role in the region - friend of Israel, and honest broker. We've given up the honest broker role completely.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

We've got to recognize that when we march into Iraq, we're setting up the card tables in front of every university in the Arab world, the Islamic world, to recruit for al-Qaida.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

Well, the right-wing policy with regard to Israel - the people who don't want to deal with Arafat, who don't want a Palestinian state - the whole sort of right-wing view is consistent with the view toward Iraq. It's the same policy and the same people.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

Why don't we just go set up the card tables ourselves, right now? Sign them up to commit suicide. And you never hear anybody talking about this.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

With Bush, it's probably a combination of oil, the father, the politics of the evangelicals in the South, who support Israel, and Jewish voters. It's very dangerous to speculate about motives, though. It doesn't get you anywhere. All it does is agitate people.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

You don't know whether he's thought through how this is going to affect the Middle East.
Quotation of Chris Matthews

You don't say, like the Bush crowd, 'I got this guy over here and I don't like him and I'm gonna get him, whether you back me or not.'
Quotation of Chris Matthews

http://www.icelebz.com/quotes/chris_matthews/

and:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/30/matthews-frankenstein/



http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/matthews-against-war/



http://crooksandliars.com/2007/05/16/chris-matthews-slams-rep-kingston-over-war-propaganda-lazy-and-dishonest



http://mediamatters.org/research/200803240007?f=h_clips




The examples in post #16 are all taken from before the start of the war. The excerpts in this post are all taken post "Mission Accomplished". I have yet to see anyone post a single example of Matthews being for the war in Iraq.

whole finger-wagging exercise!

and no we are not, While he was against it some days, he was all for it others. He is a fair weather commentator.

doesn't understand the context and circumstance of that moment and quote. He was never for the war on any day.

and throughout the process to war, some days he was doubtful, some days he wasn't.

I am sorry if this galls you. But Tweety is a fair weather commentator, has been from word go.

THere are days I love him and recently he has honestly gotten pretty shaken up due to the brown shirts in places like kentucky... but like most people in the media on the way to war he didn't protest enough... sorry. That was OUR MEDIA and it's greatest failure He is part of it.

Oh and 1984 does come to mind by the way.

Recall Matthews calling Gerhard Schroeder and Vladimir Putin "losers" when the troops rolled into Baghdad in April of 2003
Recall Matthews claiming "we are all neo-cons now"
Recall Matthews reference to Dubya having "sunny nobility"

I've always said that about him. It keeps me from being surprised when he acts like a lib and then becomes an ass.

he argued against going into Iraq before we went in, and he argued against it for some time at the beginning of the war.

His fault ws sucking up to the Rethugs and adoring W and his "package."

one minute, and then got a tingle run up his leg when Mr Army Mans Bush talked manly mans toughems-guy-talk.

He will call war protesters every jingoistic pejorative in the book, and then slam the chickenhawks for lying us into war. He must have a sack full-o-splinters from straddling that fence so damn much.

They can't sand the truth.

Facts, you know, they get in the way of broadbrush outrage.

opposition to the war. but generally, duers totally ignore the reality tweety was opposed and many specualted he would get his ass fired.

I fight with a friend of mine all the time over Tweety. He was one of Bush's biggest cheerleaders right to getting him a second term. He helped to destroy this country as much as anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!

So many people seem to forget what GE does. This little broadcast thing is just the promotional arm of its defense and insurance businesses, which are huge.

I wrote him a letter asking if he really believed what he was saying or was he being forced to push that nonsense. I even offered to let him move in with me if he thought he'd lose his job if he told the truth. :mad:

covering Plamegate.

Hands down the best coverage anywhere on the issue came from Tweety.

Which way was the wind blowing during Plamegate ? ...I dare say he was running into a strong headwind.

:kick:

that is cool.


We can disagree. But in my mind Tweety was one of the cheerleaders... and doing it to support the troops don't excuse it.

the man who did not lost his job.

that commander AWOL is actually smiling.... he never loosened those straps...

I will leave the rest to the imagination.