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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:26 PM
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Signs of waning support among Wisconsin republicans?
Edited on Wed Feb-16-11 12:29 PM by HereSince1628
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/116217979.html

From an article attributed to the AP

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There were some signs that support for the plan among Republicans who control the Legislature may be waning after more than 13,000 teachers, prison guards, nurses and others converged on the Capitol to speak out during in a 17-hour public hearing.

When asked where Republicans stood on Walker's proposal Wednesday, Sen. Dan Kapanke of La Crosse told The Associated Press, "That's a really good question. I don't know."
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---Yesterday morning the R's were certain they had the votes to curtail state employee collective bargaining---
(I gotta remember brackets don't work on DU)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:27 PM
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1. A crack in the armor is good news - K&R
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:29 PM
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2. It's the numbers...
if you want to make a difference the people have to be there!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:30 PM
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3. True, and people are out in other places than the MadTown
Demonstrations are happening all around the state...high school students have even staged walk-outs supporting their teachers' right to collective bargain.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:33 PM
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4. Sweet...
I look forward to seeing more pics of solidarity!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:34 PM
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5. It appears Walker miscalculated
He shoulda done it on the sneak and the sly, instead of openly and brazenly announcing what a motherfucker he is. Didn't all those years Rove was giving the Republicans lessons mean anything to Walker? Do it on the QT, and once your victims are bound, gagged, and the million pound shithammer is swinging, then tell them how fucked they are.

Now, there are thousands of people milling around in Madison, letting the Republicans know that we're on to them. It's good news that they will proceed to fold faster than Superman on laundry day, and I hope the voters took note of just how much the Republicans despise them.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:43 PM
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6. Walker's press conference is still selling jealousy and greed
He says he's made a trip around the state asking 'business leaders' if his ideas are right and whether state employees should pay much larger shares of their benefit package. Guess what they said?

Well, Walker is completely avoiding the issues raised by his request that the legislature destroy collective bargaining rights. He is convinced, probably based on think tank evidence, that he can sell jealousy and get his bill passed without any rational consideration of its impacts on worker's rights.
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Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 01:02 PM
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7. Why did Walker
go to businesses - yes, he would get the answer he wanted. Why didn't he talk to the people? yes, he would not get the answer he wanted because he doesn't want to hear from the people.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 01:17 PM
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8. Well, it's like this...the Kulaks go to the Boyars for their orders.
The Kulaks impose the Boyars orders on the serfs.

The serfs raise potatoes for the Boyars.

And they go in debt to the Kulaks to be able to raise those potatoes.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 01:55 PM
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9. Elections have consequences.
Edited on Wed Feb-16-11 01:57 PM by GSLevel9
Walker got 1,128,159 votes 4 months ago, 5% more than the DEM candidate. Ron Johnson beat Russ Feingold by nearly the same margin.

Walker has the mandate of more than 1.1 million people to be a teabagging nazi. Sorry to say it but it's true.

30,000 or 100,000 protestors won't change a thing.

Lesson learned. Go vote. Support your favorite candidate. There's no such thing as a "safe" race. Never take an election for granted.

Everyone has the right to protest just as much as Walker has the right to be a teabagging nazi. He WON.

If the public doesn't LIKE what Walker does... then work harder next time!

ELECTIONS are how we "walk like an Egyptian".
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 02:25 PM
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10. F-A-I-L
Walker got elected by 52% of the votes counted. A 5% plurality in the votes counted does not mean that everyone must go home and let him do whatever he wants. I have no idea where you got the idea that winning somehow abrogates the right of the people to petition their government.

Walker govern's 100% of the people of Wisconsin, and he does that with 100% consent, because we believe in our system. When we think the system is going off the rails it's our obligation to tell an oblivious engineer. It is not our duty to sit quietly until the end of the trainwreck.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 02:52 PM
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11. that's not what I posted.
I said everyone has a right to protest what Walker does... but he also has the RIGHT to govern.

If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd support the governor who was implementing statewide healthcare against the objections of an angry teabaggery right. I'd argue that the Baggers had the right to protest but the good Governor had the right to govern.

Like I said... remember what the teabagger nazi does... he can be "recalled" next month if the statewide support is there or in less than 4 years.

Elections have consequences.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 03:30 PM
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12. F-A-I-L-E-D times 2.
You don't know enough to be talking about recall in Wisconsin with such certainty.

Wisconsin has its own laws that govern recall. The recall movement is now underway it will take about 350,000 signatures at its filing. But, by Wisconsin law a filing for recall must wait until he's been in office one year.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 03:33 PM
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13. He can govern but he can't violate citizen's rights n/t
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 03:53 PM
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15. What rights is he violating and where are those rights defined legally? nt
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 03:45 PM
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14. protests can also have consequences
and hopefully these protests will convince enough legislators that Walker's mandate isn't as strong as you think it is.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 03:54 PM
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16. and that part of the way it works!
It's a beautiful thing, if you convince enough people you win!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 03:57 PM
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17. Do the teabaggers..
now have a change of HEART ...:hi:
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