Q: Why was now picked as the time to Shock Doctrine the USA?

An honest question, no snark.

It's clear that the actions by Republican governors (edit: and legislatures, too) in several states were carefully coordinated to all launch in this budget cycle. Sure, we've been getting screwed for years, but the volume has been turned up suddenly and dramatically, and almost all at once all across the country.

What was it about early 2011 that prompted these crooks to make their move now? Did they finally decide that this was their "last" chance to get everything before it all collapses? Do they see being voted into obscurity in 2012? Does their data suggest that the world is headed for an economic collapse far worse than we're being told?

I know it's easy to say "all of the above," but this assault on Americans is so sudden and so brazen that it's obviously no coincidence. But what's the real reason?

now they're acting on that rhetoric.

Already posted that, because that is just and compassionate.

Everything he posts is babble. I actually kinda worry about him.

Like from someplace like this http://randomthoughts.ws/
Or elsewhere.

A dada style exercise to amuse themselves.

however this one was ignored. :shrug:

But in representative form it is justice and compassion, it is a form of way for me to think on the topic with clarity. And beer and travel money is really due. And also things should be more just with compassion.

Spent years building the framework to understand that is just and compassionate, so that entire framework defends the concept, and it is linked to justice and compassion.

It is a thought form that I can understand that relates to other topics. Like foundation book where the concept of a simple concept can be used to understand a concept beyond comprehension.

I don't think people are going to like the consequences, even if those promises sounded good at the time.

If it is going to get worse then they have all the time in the world to point and say how "bad" things are. If things get better then they can't really say we need to do it or else.

Maybe Obama has a plan to finally crack down on the corporations who are destroying us.

American is with them. I also think the real wealth and power in this country feel also empowered by the recent elections and see this as an opportunity to start steamrolling over all unions in the US. The goal is to move forward with peasanthood and poverty for most of the country. So many in this country are so easily manipulated it's all part of the plan to reduce most workers to very very low wages/benefits in a global economy/workforce.

and the rest of the wealthy own everyone else.

People aren't buying, so it's time to squeeze...

...he pretty much touched on your concerns, and the shell game that is being played on Americans by the wealthy and powerful. I highly recommend this interview...

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/17/democracy_uprising_in_the_usa_noam

that the dubya came on the teevee to announce the economic disaster. They had realized that the palin had ruined their chances of another rethug administration so they announced impending doom to set the wheels in motion for a rebound in 2010.

It was all progressing as planned until Cairo, Jan 25.

and they win 2012. This is all about winning.

a recent development.

Had Obama been the President with guts he campaigned as, instead of the compromiser he ended up as, they would be.

When Obama capitulated early in his term it gave the GOP new life, and they know after Bush their policies are so unpopular that they dont have but one last chance to forever destroy the remains of the New Deal.

Its now or never for them.

is irrelevant.

Hillary could be President making most of the same decisions and the GOP would be doing the same things. That does not matter.

The GOP brand was destroyed. So they HAD to rebrand it regardless of which Dem was President.

As you say, now or never, but there was really nothing Obama could have done or said to change it.

That's what creates the shock, i.e. the disorientation and confusion on the part of the general public that makes it possible for them to get away with still more brazen enormities and large-scale theft than they have already.

I guess they think America has been weakened enough by high unemployment, the foreclosure crisis and rising health care costs that they could get away with it. And having an alleged "Democrat" in the White House is another advantage, from their POV. We'd be expecting the hijacking of Social Security from a Republican and we'd be on guard like we were when Bush tried to "save" Social Security.

I'm reading the book now, so these concepts are still fresh in my mind. I believe the principle of catastrophes coming all at once comes originally from Machiavelli, but I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote at the moment. But it's SUPPOSED to be sudden, or appear to be sudden anyway.

This is about as close as I've seen to what I'm thinking. I'm just wondering what the final "trigger" event was ... surely they can't be so dense as to actually believe that "America" is on their side.

The optimist in me (yes, there's one, hiding somewhere deep, deep, deep down) likes the other suggestion upthread that it's because they know things are about to get better and they'll lose power and influence as a result.

Given all the crap of the past 11 years, I thought I'd been desensitized to being shocked. But the events of the past month have taken it to an entirely new level.

They feel validated by the voters. And why now, in early 2011? Well, they just got the chance, and they are not wasting time. Gotta give them that.

They will end up pissing off every person in this country before they are finished.

This may be their last chance at it for some time. Seeing the GOP's tent is rapidly shrinking, they will be in trouble. They may lose many seats both in the US Congress and state legislatures in 2012.

as possible before the window closes.

That's the part I still don't get, even after reading all of these thoughtful responses.

It sure seems like the crooks have decided "We have to go for everything, right now." Something made them decide that now was the time, not next month or next year.

Re "It sure seems like the crooks have decided "We have to go for everything, right now." Something made them decide that now was the time, not next month or next year."

I've been mulling this question over for about the past half hour, asking myself what I'd be afraid of if I had all the wealth and power in the world. It could only be one thing: accountability, justice that can't be avoided, that they can't bully or buy their way out of. For some reason, they feel their karma breathing down their necks, and it's causing some serious panic in high places.

I don't know what it is, but I suspect it has something to do with the Internet. It could be related either to Wikileaks or Anonymous or maybe both. But something has happened to make them realize that all they ever had was the illusion of control, not the total control they thought they had. It has to be something that by its very nature cannot be controlled, and so they won't ever see it coming. Just like they didn't see January 25th and its aftermath.

Here's to more "serious panic in high places." :)

or whatever remains of it.

That is why.

i've been wondering that myself, and feel like something's up that we the people are not privy to. :tinfoilhat:

and their unlimited cash funds now mean that we the citizens simply don't matter any more in the equation.

power. The end justifies the means with repubs. They aren't kidding, and will lie and cheat to bring down any new deal policies, among other things for starters.

So, we know what repubs are. Teabaggers are all that, times 30 million. They are mean, nasty people that operate from an ideology that they call "freedom" (whatever the fuck that means), but will take us back to about 1912.

Bust unions today, privatize social security tomorrow, outlaw abortion next month. Minimum wage, environmental protections and child labor laws the month after that.

Newbie here. I think I have the answer. Destroy the Unions. Times get tougher,wages decrease until we are back to the stoneage. Then we can compete with foreign labor. Its either that or bring them up to our level and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

he would draw back liberals -- those who have been staying home for years --

those who stayed home in 2010 -- those who are disgusted and want to stay home in 2012 --

and liberals from third parties!!






THANK YOU FOR THE HEARTS -- AND A :hug: BACK -- !!

Frightening times we are in...

....is a good offense?....some one has to pay for the rich wrecking our economy, political system and way of life....

....corporations and their politicians are trying like hell to convince us, with blue smoke and mirrors, that it's our collective responsibility to correct the horrible situation they've put us in....

....where I come from, when someone damages you or your property, they're responsible, not you....

Don't forget Rupert Murdoch's million-dollar donation to the Republican Governors Association.

Computer voting being exposed -- not over yet -- but exposed --

Wealthy elites want back the money they invested in setting up the RW --

Christian Coalition, Union Busting, NRA, Lobbying --

"Pro-Life" violence and murders -- Destruction of environment right before our eyes --

Even Hitler's time came --

Their time is coming --











THANK YOU FOR THE HEARTS -- AND A :hug: BACK -- !!

unless they eliminate the Democratic base.
This is their last chance. Neo-liberalism will be dead and buried after this and the rich will pay their taxes - this is the beginning and it will spread to all states. Workers will not lie back and die.

...but I think one of the big factors right now is that the tough economic times fro most people is producing a lot of resentment, and that's being channeled at the unions in one of the few remaining sectors of the economy that didn't have vigorous union-busting.

the stars are in alignment for them.