In Nazi Germany it was the Jews

In the rural south after the civil war it was the blacks, now its the Unions and workers in general. Every corrupt political group singles out a group or groups to hate and blame for the problems of the country and it seems we've found the Republican scape goat. The question now is will the country be able to see through bullshit? I am in no way comparing the end of collective barging to the Holocaust, this is about authoritarian regimes tendency to demonize a certain group to gain political influence. I hope that clears things up. I do want to point out that the Nazis starting start off with the Death camps, they started with the demonizing of the Jews, communists, and anyone who opposed them and things just got worse from there.

Though I don't really think there's much of a comparison to the end of collective bargaining and the Holocaust.

more of people's general need to blame some group for their problems. I am in no way saying there is a comparison because as terrible as this is there isn't one. I'm just saying authoritarian love to latch onto a group and demonize them.

was outlawing unions and arresting communists and socialists than have to wait for the Holocaust and try and stop him then.

You don't have to have active death camps to compare what's going on today to where the Nazis were at the same rough timeline.

If you think they're acting like Nazis, say it.

we can either draw a line in the sand and fight them here and now or we can just be nice and not offend anyone and go quietly down the road to Fascism and tyranny. Oh and Socialists like me and you are probably at the top of the Rights hate list.

our media blacks out the picture and our citizens accept it.

The Nazi regime actually happened. There are many parallels between the modern right wing movement in the United States and the fledgling Nazi regime.

Can you explain why it is offensive to look back at history and point out the similarities?

A political labor dispute as compared to the torture and genocide of 6 million people.

Yeah, how could I have missed it?

you really haven't bothered to read anything I posted have you? I didn't compare it to the Holocaust I compared it to the demonizing that the Jews faced and the fact that they were blamed for Germany's economic troubles. That is happening in Wisconsin and if you can't see it then just turn on Limbaugh or Fox News and you'll find it.

banning unions was one of the first things Hitler did when he came to power.

banning unions is one of the first things Walker is attempting to do with his newly found power.

that is the proposition being discussed.

the Holocaust came later.

the evil of the Nazi regime included violent action against many targeted groups.

about tactics used to bring people into the "cause." Some of these tactics, found in RW literature and posted on DU, explain how to bring people in to work against the other people. It involves blame, making people feel like they are the in crowd etc.
This is to serve the elites of course.

You better believe that the Koch brothers and their minions read the publications that teach people how to produce propaganda, manipulate the population to take control. The Third Reich gave us many examples of this.

you then your wrong, because that was exactly the comparison I was trying to make. However it is possibly I made that comparison poorly.

In another post on another thread, I couldn't believe that anybody could still doubt that the RW was taking the same path that the Nazis did. It appears I was wrong. I guess some people have to have active death camps before you can compare to Nazis. I guess that means the Nazis weren't really Nazis BEFORE the death camps, huh?

but lately I don't care anymore, we need to stand up to these people and call them what they are. Fascism is Fascism even if they haven't gotten the chance to build the camps. The Republicans are just as much neo-nazi as the Aryan Nation, just one is accepted the other isn't.

What is offensive is sticking our heads in the sand or playing the "Nothing will ever be worse than what happened in (insert atrocity here)".


That is the surest way to make damned sure that someone will "one-up" the last great atrocity.

and it was terrible. Like all movements it had its origins and we can study those origins and see the same hateful rhetoric in the far right today. If you want to be offended by that then so be it, I think it is far more offensive to forget the past and not fight this neo-fascist movement with everything we can muster.

History has a nasty way of showing us that those who don't learn from it are doomed to repeat it.

Are the problem, and something I am against, is they injected the bad stuff into the body politic that created many of the problems, including creating the smear that tried to take my beer and travel money.

And beer and travel money is still due. And that is just and compassionate.

So they are part of the tracking back being done over the last decades. Might be more layers behind them, might be democrats, or entire countries with some of those same errors, private sector groups, individuals, companies, think tanks, media, going to keep going on this, because I am due beer and travel money, and the world should be mo-re just and compassionate.

But I am due beer and travel money, and been tracking back against the problems that caused that smear wrongly done against me for years.


I also know it may not be about Republicans, that is a label, I am talking about wrong ideas of security state, and many other ideas that were added in by some in that group, maybe using that label in an Orwellian way.

So not about the label,

but I am due the beer and travel money, and many experiences that is due, that will be corrected.

treatment of union members in Wisconsin?

I think not. !

the similarities between the modern Right and the early days of the Nazi movement then I can't help you. It never starts off with death camps it starts off with slander,and weakling of economic and political power. That is happening in Wisconsin. I've explained that twice in this thread already though.

and a right wing dictator in Germany who banned unions.

it's an apt comparison.

Never mind the burner underneath... all is well!

on!

Why are all the other millions of people who were slaughtered by the Nazis never mentioned?
There were thousands of gays also slaughtered.....some even used as target practice.............
yet no one ever cares to remember that........is it just about the jews???.........or do other
people just not count in that scenario?.....and no, I'm not going to argue with anyone about it.

10 million were killed in the Holocaust and 6 million were Jews the rest were among the groups you mentioned. I actually thought about mentioning Gays in my OP because I know they were targeted as social deviants and were believed to corrupt the morals of the State. Oh and that is happening here to. As for your question the deaths of the other 4 million are just as important however the Jews are who you hear about the most, likely because Hitler did seem to have personal vendetta against them and perhaps because they have been persecuted so much throughout history in general it seems.

fighting and defeating Hitler along a 2,000-mile front while the US and Great Britain dithered around in North Africa.

These demonising games are exactly how events like the Holocaust become possible.

Well said.

if, when Hitler and the Nazis had first began their rise to power with their hateful rhetoric, the people had said "No! that is wrong and your full of shit!" then the Nazi party would have been a minor footnote in German history instead of murdering regime that it was.

Americans are so comfortable with it that they tend not to even notice it happening, which is how I'm sure it was for ordinary Germans in Nazi Germany...

the whole "ground zero mosque" incident was kind of creepy.

I thought the comparison you made in yr OP was an apt one. What I'd do to shut down anyone who doesn't read properly and claims yr making a comparison to the Holocaust is point out that the Nazis existed for a fair while before the Holocaust and that the attacks and demonisation on workers, unions as well as Jews were all happening prior to 1939 when WWII began....