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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:12 PM
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Public employees pay versus private employee pay in Wisconsin
The teabaggers are trying to claim that public employees are overpaid. That is a lie. Here is good source to use to debunk this crap
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/6759/
However, the data indicates that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of both state and local governments in Wisconsin earn less than comparable private sector employees. On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. This compensation disadvantage is smaller but still significant when hours worked are factored in. Full-time public employees work fewer annual hours, particularly employees with bachelor’s, master’s, and professional degrees (because many are teachers or university professors).
When comparisons are made controlling for the difference in annual hours worked, full-time state and local government employees are undercompensated by 4.8%, compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsin’s private sector.

These compensation comparisons account for important factors that affect earnings, the most important of which is the educational levels of public employees. When comparing public and private sector pay it is essential to consider the much higher levels of education required by occupations in the public sector. As a consequence of these requirements, Wisconsin public sector workers are on average more highly educated than private sector workers; 59% of full-time Wisconsin public sector workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared
with 30% of full-time private sector workers. Wisconsin state and local governments pay college-educated employees 25% less in annual compensation, on average, than private employers. The compensation differential is greatest for professional employees, lawyers, and doctors. On the other hand, the public sector appears to set a floor on compensation, which benefits less-educated workers. The 1% of state and local government workers without high school diplomas earn more than comparably educated workers in the private sector.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:18 PM
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1. K&R
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:22 PM
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2. Rec for FACTS.
Le sigh. Is there any group stupider than the Tea Party?
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 05:52 PM
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6. Facts? not so much
see #5
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:23 PM
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3. Only persons who have never taught would think it's a 40 hour week
If teachers negotiated THAT, the number of teachers needed to make the same length school days function would very nearly double. Teachers don't get paid hourly for a reason.

The remarkable thing is teachers generally accept getting 'enough' and then meet the demand that they put in "whatever it takes" to make the classes go. I can tell you first hand that "Whatever it takes" averages about 60 hours for full time university instructors. I can't tell you first hand about high school teachers, but I can relay that I've been told it's similar.




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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 04:30 PM
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4. More facts to debunk these claims
http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/article/20110220/CWS0101/102200672/1982/WRT04/Budget-debate-about-fundamentals
A policy memo was released earlier this week by the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., that compared Wisconsin public and private employee costs. It concluded that comparing public and private employee is like comparing "apples to oranges".

The report states that:

• "When we compare apples to apples," Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8 percent less in total compensation than comparable private sector workers.

• Wisconsin public employees receive "considerably better" benefits than their private sector counterparts.

• Public employees earn lower wages and get less in total compensation, including benefits, than comparable private sector employees.

The Economic Policy Institute is a progressive nonprofit think tank that focuses on economic policy and the interests of low- and middle-income workers. Its board of directors is dominated by union representatives including Trumka, Andrew Stern, former president of the Service Employees International Union, and Randi Weingarten, president of American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO.

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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 05:51 PM
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5. It appears that they are using national data
for private and WI data for public.Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 05:59 PM
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7. It appears that they are using Wisconsin data collected by the Feds for private.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:06 PM
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9. Not so sure
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 06:05 PM
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8. Here is some facts for Ohio Public workers versus private workers
The next state where this issue will come up is Ohio. Here are facts on Ohio http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/6758/
The research shows, however, that state and local government employees in Ohio are not overpaid. (When we refer to public employees, we are referring to state and local employees, not federal workers.) Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of state and local governments earn lower wages than comparable private sector employees. Average annual wages and salaries of full-time state and local public employees in Ohio are 5.9% lower than those of comparable private sector employees. However, some full-time public employees work fewer hours on average, particularly college-educated employees. When annual hours worked are factored in, full-time state and local employees earn 3.3% less in wages and salaries than similar private sector workers. Looking at total compensation (wages and nonwage benefits) Ohio public employees annually earn 6% less than comparable private sector employees and 3.5% less on an hourly basis than comparable private sector employees.

These comparisons account for important factors that affect earnings, the most important of which is level of education. Because occupations in the public sector require much higher levels of education, Ohio public sector workers, on average, are more highly educated than
private sector workers; 49% of full-time public sector workers in the state hold at least a bachelor’s degree, compared with 26% of full-time private sector workers. Ohio state and local governments pay college-educated employees 25% less in annual total compensation, on average, than private employers.
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