Take with HUGE grain of salt, RUMOR right now

about Walker's speech at four

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Rumor is that Walker will announce at 4:30 press conf that capitol will close 2night.w/ help of Nat Guard #wiunion #killthebill #getloudnow
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Now IF he does this... that is the absolute last card, So be ready for this.

IF Mubar...Gadaf...er Walker tries to use the NG against protestors, THEN Obama needs to step in, federalize the Guard and order them to stand down. OR better yet, protect the protestors.

He says the gov shouldn't be so sure that they'll use force against their fellow citizens.

According to Mother Jones they had orders to use Riot Police... well in the end they went in and removed some signs and told people to use blue tape.

As I said, this is the last possible card... I suspect he may be in for a surprise.

apply if the Feds order it? For those who don't know the Posse Comitatus Act forbids any branch of the military from firing on their own citizens.

I'll bet the guard doesn't want to do anything against the protesters, even herd them or whatever.

The governor can use the guard in his state as law enforcement.

Feds should stop his shit.

Posse Comitatus forbids using federal troops in domestic law enforcement. There are a few exceptions--during Hurricane Andrew the 10th Mountain Division worked to suppress looting, but we caught the looters then held them for the civilian police.

Posse Comitatus doesn't apply to the Wisconsin National Guard because they are currently under state control. Unless President Obama federalizes the Wisconsin Guard, the governor can do anything he wants with them...I don't think he can have them perform summary executions, but just about anything else is okay.

They can be called by their governors to "put down riots" and the like, and often have been in the past, including in WI in 1886. For a more recent example, remember Kent State & the Ohio Guard.

Was started I believe, in Mauston, WI.


The Posse Comitatus

"The Posse Comitatus is an intermittently active, loosely organized group of "Christian Identity" activists dedicated to survivalism, vigilantism, and anti-government agitation. Following the pseudo-religious tenets of the "Identity" movement, Posse members typically proclaim Jews to be the "synagogue of Satan," blacks and other people of color to be subhuman "mud races," and Northern European whites to be the "Chosen People" of Biblical prophecy. The name of the group translates from Latin to mean "power of the county," and the Posse believes that all governmental power is rooted at the county, not Federal, level..."

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/paranoia-as-patriotism/posse-comitatus.htm



They are pure nutters of the highest order and used to cause grief in WI during the 60s and in Milwaukee when Father Groppi marched there for civil rights, etc. Ah, the memory of Fr. Groppi warmed the hackles of my heart.




I'm happy to be corrected if anyone can prove me wrong.

I dont have a link, but from my notes:

In early 2006, the 109th Congress passed a controversial bill that grants the President the right to commandeer federal or state National Guard Troops and use them inside the United States. This bill, entitled the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR), contains a provision (Section 1076) that allows the President to
“...employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States..., where the President determines that,...domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy...”
Senator Patrick Leahy and others have condemned Section 1076 because it effectively nullifies the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. 331-335) and gives the President the legal ability to define under what conditions martial law may be declared.

After all, one of their tenets is that people should should be allowed to peaceably assemble/protest (or is that just for the teabaggers? :shrug:)

The next few days sure will be interesting!

I thought you said OAT keepers.

about as useful............

Hitler moustache?

how alone he is.

As I said, take this with a huge grain of salt.

As usual.

He has painted himself into a corner and he knows it.
He's probably scared shitless and I'm LMAO here!!

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First, I don't think the Guard will do it.

Second, if they do, it will ultimately score as a huge loss for him. This is a last, desperate move, the kind of thing dictators in the rest of the world only do as a final resort.

There is one disturbing difference between the Guard and the cops, though. A cop can face disciplinary action for refusing an order. Guardsmen are under the UCMJ, which can impose far stiffer penalties, including military prison, for varying degrees of refusal to follow orders.

last Saturday... from what I could tell from the info first posted by Mother Jones and then by Mother Jones.

Back, wall, come to mind.

Oh and I agree with you. Many in the guard are those same cops who said Yes Sir, and then "executed" their orders in the funniest way possible... hey we carried them out Sir... we brought them dang signs down, really... The number of token signs given, yep.

They did it en masse, which makes disciplinary rules a little harder to enforce. (Like, ya gonna give everyone a 3-day leave without pay?

But the pressures on the Guard are much greater. They can be imprisoned, not just fired or given a work discipline and a letter in the personnel file.

:-)

That would be a hoot

yup

if only like 5 or 6 guard members out of hundreds showed up to follow the "governors" orders.

why he has not carried out that threat.

He went there what two weeks ago? Senior Commanders were briefed... but they have not done that. I am ALMOST betting he has been told by senior officers that they have a problem with the rank and file troops. Realize many of those rank and file, as well as Junior Officers are right now in the streets.

He's protecting our precious fluids.





Praise gawd. :rofl:

He went there what two weeks ago? Senior Commanders were briefed... but they have not done that. I am ALMOST betting he has been told by senior officers that they have a problem with the rank and file troops. Realize many of those rank and file, as well as Junior Officers are right now in the streets.

The place for the Guard to be stopped is before any actual orders are given. In the Guard, there is not that huge gap between the officers & enlisted personnel. They all drink together, they all work together at various civilian jobs. I could well imagine senior Guard officers, not wanting to order their units into this mess, telling Walker to cool it if he doesn't want to embarrass himself.

without a 3/5 quorum.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080118/

It is moving in ways that I am sure he did not predict.

http://wpr.org/ideas/index.cfm#stations

(Wisconsin Public Radio) - scroll down and you'll find the icons to click on

How dare him!

this evening. (sarcasm)

Don't you think?

The President can take control of the National Guard, if he doesn't already have it, from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

treat him with the same disrespect the Republicans have shown for him so far?

....to tell him that if the rights of these folks are not protected that he, as President, has the authority to put the NG on standby to use in case of emergency.

it likely that at least half if not more of the National Guard are union members? Might be more because it is usually union jobs that give you the time off with out hassle, many with pay to do guard duty.

"Wait for it...wait for it...wait for it..."

:evilgrin:

I don't foresee this to be anything positive for the state of WI.

Why not? It's not like they're using it at the moment.

look Walker has been threatening to deploy the guard for two weeks. He had not YET... even if commanders were briefed.

You care to tell me why?

I suspect I know the partial answer, not one I can prove right now.

To assist with prison staffing. The rest of the speculation on this thread is hysteria. I know it would do our cause some good to see them roughing up protestors, but it ain't gonna happen.

I am sorry if this is not taught in the US.

On the bright side... I do not think the guard will go there IN THIS CASE.

But there is a reason why it is a valid fear.

As to rumors, I will say it again... there are good historic reasons for this fear, as well as current operative reasons.

Gee...never heard of such a thing before. And on the bright side, glad to hear you agree with me. I shall sleep ever so much better tonight.

and there is no reason to fear that?

This isn't going to devolve into Kent State. Rumors are just that. Sometimes they are wishful thinking. Just sayin...

it will not but not for the reasons you think

have a good life.

Which I did. And now you're arguing with me about the validity of the rumor. Whatever.

TO YOU, have a good life, welcome to the iggy list.

:eyes:

:rofl:

just letting Walker know that the entire Wisconsin National Guard will be deployed to Afghanistan for the next year if he uses them in Madison, would be quite convincing.

I also think he still believes he's going to win this one by just bluffing. He's a seriously cocky fool. The American people may be a tad slow to anger, but it does happen, and it isn't nice.

in both the Guard and the Police are starting to realize the old dictum... good luck if they refuse to follow you. I think we are at that point.

...and refuse to move? Do they carry them out?

last saturday we had two interesting reports, that looked like cops were creative in not obeying, while obeying orders.