Statement by Anonymous

Dear United Nations:

Anonymous wishes you to act.

We are watching the developments in Libya and are shocked.
Shocked by the images we've seen.
Shocked by the things Libya's Anons have told us.
Shocked by the fact that one man ignores the voices of his citizens and opens fire on them.
Shocked by the fact that even with generals and diplomats deserting, this man is still ignoring the will of his people and unwilling to accept their human rights

People ought not have to fear their leaders; leaders ought to fear their people. In too many places, though, this is currently not the case. A grasping dictator has taken an army to the skies and the streets to shed blood of people whom he should be protecting. Some of them have bravely refused, and thereby done their part; when will the UN do theirs?

We just want the people to be free. Please help us help them. Again, this is not an attack, but rather a bid for your full attention, which ought to be directed towards assisting Libyans in their quest for liberty.

The United Nations has the power to prevent this egregious loss of life, but it must act quickly and decisively to do so, contrary to its usual habits.

We ask not for meetings or referenda. Rather, we demand that you implement the following measures and do so in a manner that will minimize the loss of life among civilians and put an end to the rule of this degenerate tyrant.

1. Provide a blanket no-fly zone to prevent state controlled aircraft from bombing civilians.
2. Provide secured transport of medical supplies to major population centers.
3. Announce the implemention of these measures within 24 hours.

That world which you claim to protect is watching and will respond accordingly.

We are Anonymous
We are Legion.
We do not forget,
We do not forgive.

Expect us.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/948079/-Anonymous-to-UN:-Help-Libya-Now

I love ANON!!!!!!

-p

Evidently, this is another wanna-be Anonymous. I like the idea of helping the Libyans, but the NATO track record is sketchy.

I liked the phony "Anonymous to hack The 'god hates fags' church."

I guess this is the problem with being "Anonymous," people can snag your identity because no-one knows who you really are.

because both statements are brilliant regardless of who wrote them.

Noone is Anonymous. Everyone can be Anonymous.

Thank you Anon. I appreciate your voice!

Oh I'm sure nothing will happen. Anon is just some pimply faced nerd punks.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Anyone who has a clue about how much of the world is actually run by computers would be wise not to underestimate the level of power a nerd holds.

They aren't talking about hacking a website.

they are cyber anarchists....

As the message itself says it is not a warning about an attack. It is just a request. Nothing more.

He's unleashed his most modern warfare weapons on his own people. He truly deserves to die at the hands of his people, and not in some luxury resort somewhere.

so.... what-no oil? no profits?

anon's plan looks sound.

Shocked that an iron-fisted, ruthless dictator would use violence to try to put down an uprising? Shocked? How naive can you be?

Nice

WHY ANONYMOUS SAYS NO TO NATO INTERFERING IN LIBYA

http://www.anonnews.org/index.php?p=press&a=item&i=511

that Anonymous would create - they are way too smart for a site as awful as that.

I know we might expect something with more panache but there you go.

but maybe that's just me :)

I have done some research on Anonymous - the links to their sites can be found on WikiPedia, and it is not at the link provided.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_%28group%29

http://www.anonops.ru/

That's the most unlikely address for 'Anonymous' I've yet seen. A technologically-able government which takes pride in spying on people, and which has no truck whatsoever with freedom of information, and which prosecutes political opponents? One of the last places anyone trying to cover their tracks would go. China would be worse, but that's about it.

and it is listed as the official site.

just that it's an incredibly unlikely place for anyone who wants to hide their identity to choose. Someone has claimed, by editing the Wikipedia page, that it's the official site. If you want, I'll go to Wikipedia now, and edit it to say that anonnews.org is the 'official' site. It would be just as valid.

because they do check things on WikiPedia.

And by just looking at the two sites - the .ru seems legit, and the other a complete fail.

The point about Anonymous is that no-one knows who is behind any claim of action in its name. I really can't see how you can claim you know what is legitimate, and what is not.

to a WikiPedia article - that was rejected because the editor did not know the facts.

I had to go back and forth at least twice, before it was accepted.

That is the only reason that I said that Wikpedia edits are checked.

I know nothing about Anonymous other than what was posted on Daily Kos.

http://anonops.ru/

Go to the site & click link to the right that says Join irc.anonops.net

everyone who logs on is anonymous, and they make it VERY clear that you should always use a proxy

and/or Tor. If you don't, you're stupid & deserve to be caught. Everyone knows what is said in the irc is not secure.

I find the concept of an 'official' site for Anonymous paradoxical. Perhaps people who have acted at times as members of Anonymous do post there, knowing that everything they post there is effectively public, and the person who set it up is happy to be known by ther Russians to be associated with Anonymous, but I don't see that this would mean that any message posted anywhere else must be doubted. anonnews also says that members of Anonymous post on it. The creation date for anonops.ru in the whois database is 2010.12.18. Clearly, Anonymous was doing a lot before that site even existed.

The people who grew the concept of Anonymous must have known that, by hiding their true identities, they had to accept that they wouldn't have control of who claimed to speak for 'Anonymous', and that 'official' was not an adjective that could properly be applied to the effort.

"We are not Anonymous. We are not 4chan."
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

and no one knows where he has gone.

Mr. Gaddafi, do you understand why people hate you? Do you see that what you're doing now is exactly what led to people demanding you step down? Your actions will surely strengthen the opposition's resolve and soon they might return with heavier weaponry. If you get any sleep tonight you are a worse person than I think you are.

could be of help to Anonymous. They are my dream. Wow! A f*cking dream come true. I wish I could participate and aid them in any way possible.

Power to the People!

Apparently the writer is unaware that the UN has no air force, so it would be difficult to set up and enforce a "no fly zone", it also lacks any ground forces to "provide secure transport" of medical supplies. The only entity that could pull off the request is the good ole USA, and I doubt that would go over well with Anyone in the region.

Italy, France, etc.

Yes it is possible that that a UN member country could unilaterally set up a no fly zone to protect the protesters. It is unlikely it would be France because they have some serious arms sales to libya pending, ironically the main one is fighter jets. Libya has approximately 400 fighters/interceptors. France Has about 250, another reason France probably will sit this one out.

Now let's look at Italy, libya is a former colony of Italy and is the largest importer of Italian goods in the world. Qaddafi's family has close ties with Italy and his family owns major stakes in unicredit one of Italy's largest banks,, he is also heavily invested in the Italian defense industry and owns shares in a premier league football team. So it's probably not going to Italy. The only other NATO member with a decent size air force, although smaller than Italy's and France's is Turkey, and a Muslim on Muslim conflict is not going to happen.

The secure transport of goods to the cities referred to in the original post simply ignores the complexities of setting up and securing a supply line in hostile territory, and the us military, in my opinion is the only force in the world who pull it off in short notice.

So keep dreaming, wishing and hoping, but the darn realities of international politics just keep getting in the way. I apologize if this comes across as me being an asshole, but it shows how the web of the international money makes humanitarian efforts very difficult and in the meantime people are suffering all over the world. Unfortunately for the protesters all they have is their will.

While I agree with most of your other points, the French air force, highly-trained and flying modern fighters, would make short work of the Libyan air force, whose pilots are questionable even on the best of days. Qadaffi was an air force officer who rebelled, and not wanting a repeat on him, he's historically kept the LAF from being much more than a token air force. One squadron of FAF Mirage 2000Cs operating out of Corsica with tanker and AWACS support would pretty handily shut down air operations by the LAF.

But then no-fly zones have historically rarely been unilateral operations, and one would expect detachments of other NATO air forces to share the load. If the US, UK, and France could maintain a no-fly zone over two-thirds of Iraq for a decade, I bet the main NATO air forces can run one for a few days/weeks over the littoral region of a country right on the other side of the Mediterranean.

This is not to say there is political will to do so, nor is this to say that this would be some sort of magic bullet solution. I'm simply addressing the technical feasibility, which would be well towards the "easy" end of the spectrum.

So no. I had no idea.

Sad that the army is actually taking orders from a man with one cheek on the throne of power and one leg out the door. It's not just his people, the entire world is sick of him and his resistance will just make the protesters turn guerilla. desu

asap!

Egypt sends us pizza, we should be able to send Libya help... 1. Provide a blanket no-fly zone to prevent state controlled aircraft from bombing civilians.
2. Provide secured transport of medical supplies to major population centers.
3. Announce the implemention of these measures within 24 hours.

Just saying.

Otherwise, I like it.

...with the intention of shooting down any Gaddafi war plane sent aloft to harm the Lybian people.

Okay, make it a UN effort...

Thanks for the thread, tabatha.

I doubt that the U.N will do anything about this. They had troops in Rwanda in 94 and did nothing at all. The soldiers were ordered to keep a low profile and don't intervene. Result: Between 800,000 and one million people were killed. :(

so this is bullshit. As long as there is oil to be drilled the people will not be "free". I have had a personal experience with "anonymous" and they are very very bad. This is all staged, people...

What was your experience?

I heard an interview on Al Jazeera that explained it. Try watching.

The West with Italy in the lead because it is most familiar with the political and military leadership in Libya will probably back a new strong man -- someone fairly secular, corruptible and under the control of the West.

See Afghanistan for something similar. Then in a few years, some new movement or person will take over the leadership of Libya.

Khadafi and his sons have not done enough to prepare Libyans for the post-oil world.

that the Obam admin is very concerned about tainting the uprising - and that was validated by Gaddafi's speech.

I really hate it when people just make sh*t up.