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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:09 PM
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Chicago charter school claims to be private so teachers won't unionize. Got 23 million public money
and it looks just like that school wants to have it both ways. It wants the benefits of being called a "public charter"...over $23 million in benefits since its founding in 2004.

But it doesn't want its teachers unionizing, so now it is claiming to be a private school. Seems to me it wants to have things both ways.

From Mike Klonsky's blog:

Charter schools: Public or private?

Another Chicago charter has claimed it's a "private" school in order to stop its teachers from unionizing. The school has received $23 million in public funds since it opened in 2004. But eight months ago, a solid majority of the school's teachers voted to organize. The school's board, with backing from the charter school association and the Civic Committee, decided to spend tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees in hopes of stalling off union certification.

"In papers filed with the National Labor Relations Board, attorneys for the Chicago Math and Science Academy on the city's North Side say the school should be exempt from an Illinois law that grants employees of all public schools the right to form unions for contract negotiations. -- Tribune"


Teachers report threats by principal, Ali Yilmaz as well as the firing of a popular and well-respected teacher who was part of the union organizing drive.

In the same Trib article, University of Chicago's Tim Knowles is sounding more and more like Wisconsin's Gov. Walker, claiming that collective-bargaining rights for teachers are "a risk to those basic freedoms".


Here is more on the topic from The Chicago Tribune.
Charter school says it's private, though it gets millions in tax dollars

In papers filed with the National Labor Relations Board, attorneys for the Chicago Math and Science Academy on the city's North Side say the school should be exempt from an Illinois law that grants employees of all public schools the right to form unions for contract negotiations.

The school of about 600 students is appealing an unfavorable decision by a regional director of the national labor board. Academy officials say charter schools don't have the governmental ties that characterize public schools, such as government-appointed leadership or controls over wages, hours and working conditions. In other words, they say, the same freedoms over personnel and policy that many credit to charter schools' success are also indicative of their independence.

It's a provocative argument, particularly in Chicago, where organized labor is woven into the city's social and political fabric. Education experts say this dispute between the academy and its teachers — believed to be the first to test a charter school's independence at the national level — underscores a rising tension between charters and traditional public schools coexisting under Chicago Public Schools, the nation's third-largest school district.

"They have been guarded and protective, and the prospect of a labor contract is a risk to those basic freedoms," said Timothy Knowles, director of the Urban Education Institute at the University of Chicago. "That's why charters have been reluctant to go there and have fought efforts to organize."


I feel for Chicago schools right now. Rahm promised if he were elected mayor (and looks like he might be) he would close 35 public schools. He plans to turn them around into charter schools.

Here's the latest Rahm bomb

He promises even more arbitrary school closings in black and Latino communities, turning them over to private management companies under the failed Race To The Top policies he helped engineer in Washington.

The so-called "turnaround" process, handing neighborhood schools over to operators like Academy for Urban School Leadership (AUSL), has only served to widen the city's achievement gap and expand the two-tier school system we have always known in the Windy City.


While Emanuel won't commit to sending his own children to any AUSL-run schools, or to any other public school period, he giddily promised, at a press conference on Tuesday, to "turnaround" and hand over to companies like AUSL 35 more local public schools. Where did he get the number 35? Has he studied each school (he doesn't name them) to see what their specific needs are? Are they really "failing"? Does he know the impact the "turnaround" process will have on the surrounding community? Of course not.

Victims of the current "turnaround" process are mainly hundreds of teachers and students who fell victim to the ensuing instability and chaos. A study out of the University of Chicago's Consortium for Chicago School Research showed that for all but 6% of the displaced students, there were no significant learning gains. The other 94% ended up in some of the city's worst schools and made no measurable gains in learning.


The war on unions is escalating now. I remember when Howard Dean said firmly that unions helped build the strong middle class in this country. He is nowhere to be seen on the topic of WI right now.

I don't see any strong voices among Democratic leadership speaking out strongly, firmly....that there will be no union busting.

Detroit is closing half its schools, other states are growing their efforts to bring in more charters.

I feel sad that there is so little opposition.

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:11 PM
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1. k&r
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:13 PM
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2. And behold.! The glaring contradictions in the very CONCEPT of
Charter Schools shine forth...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:18 PM
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3. Yep. What you said.
:)
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:21 PM
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4. Why can't the teachers unionize anyway?
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:14 PM
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12. Because a "private" school could fire them at will.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:31 PM
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16. Even in a state without a "right-to-work" law?
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 10:32 PM by HuckleB
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:35 PM
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18. Private schools are private. They can hire and fire whomever they wish.
If you know a state that regulates their hiring practices, please list it here. I would love to know.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:51 PM
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19. So how can any union get started then?
:shrug:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 05:22 PM
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37. Ahem. The charters are currently PUBLIC. The BOSSES TOOK PUBLIC $$. NOW, they want to call them
PRIVATE, SO AS TO PREVENT UNIONIZING THAT WOULD BE LEGALLY ALLOWED IN A PUBLIC ENTITY.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 12:00 AM
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42. That does not answer the question at all.
Why can't the teachers unionize in a state that does not have a "right-to-work" law, regardless?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 12:08 AM
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43. I just don't understand your question. Private schools won't let them be union.
They just won't hire them.

There are teachers' unions in all the states as far as I know. But they work in public schools. Maybe a few charters, but not private schools.

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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:32 AM
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46. So unions can only occur in public employment?
I don't think so.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 11:54 AM
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47. I am speaking of schools. You seem be speaking in general terms.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:24 PM
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5. I worked at two Chicago public schools
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 09:25 PM by tpsbmam
We were running a pilot head injury rehab program at two Chicago public schools. One was a quite nice school in a middle class area and the other was more run down, an inner city school. The teachers were fabulous. They were eager to learn about cognitive rehabilitation and were wonderful with the kids. We'd set the programs up and they'd run them without us most of the time. I'd go to each school one morning a week and go through any questions, problems, changes to the program, teach them about the next steps in rehab as we went along, and so on.

I worked in a hospital but the days I spent going to those schools were special. The teachers' dedication made it all work wonderfully and it we got a good start at putting together a cognitive rehab program for the schools.

I hate to see them treated like shit -- that's what happen at Rahm's hands.

:grr:

(Edit: typo)


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Boswell Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:26 PM
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6. took a while to look up the actual words
that Rham used and none of them seem "giddy" and the number 35 seems to relate to this part, none of which is reflected acurately related in the cut and pastes above;

David Spielfogel, Emanuel's policy director, said the corps of newly-trained teachers would be free to seek out work at any CPS institution. But the graduates would also give the CPS chief the ability to implement up to 35 turnarounds during Emanuel's first term, should school administrators and the Emanuel administration take that path, according to Spielfogel.

"The point is all these teachers are not going to be placed at turnarounds," he said. "They could go to any school that needs them. It would allow for the capacity to do turnarounds if turnarounds are needed."

Reaching 35 turnarounds over a four-year period would ramp up the pace of that policy at CPS. The first occurred in 2006, at Sherman Elementary School on the South Side, and since that time 11 other institutions have gone through the process, at an average of three per year.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:01 PM
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8. Most of realize now that "turnaround" means privatize.
I have no sympathy for that movement which dismantles public education and continues taking money and resources from them.

You know that 23 million given to that charter? Gee, what could that have done to help public schools?

Hmmmmm....

I do not like Rahm, and I think he has hurt our party by encouraging candidates to turn right on immigration to win....and NOT to speak out about the Iraq War.

No appreciation whatsoever of Rahm and his type of centrist Democrat.

They have done great harm.
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Boswell Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:27 PM
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14. and yet the FACT remains
that Rham did not "giddily promise" to absolutely do 35 right away so the root article is in effect a lie. while I am not a big Rham fan using FAUX-style BS is not the right way to go about it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:32 PM
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17. AUSL will FIRE whole staffs, teachers included.
Rahm HAS promised that.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:07 PM
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11. Turnaround means all are fired and asked to reapply for their jobs.
Are you advocating firing all adults in a building? Are you advocating letting a private company take over and decide who to hire back? Tell me, my friend, would you not call that the very worst kind of union busting? Or do you not care??

"During a turnaround, school staffers -- all adults in the building, from the principal and teachers to the building engineer and lunch ladies -- are fired and asked to reapply for their old jobs. CPS contracts with an outside organization like the Academy for Urban School Leadership (AUSL), with whom Emanuel met on Tuesday, to take over school operations or tasks district officials with managing the turnover process. A new principal is hired and the school building is upgraded. Students are supposed to be kept in place during a turnaround, unlike when a school is closed, consolidated, or phased-out, the other three school restructuring policies the Board of Education and CPS' top brass have pursued in recent years."

http://www.progressillinois.com/posts/content/2010/12/09/school-turnaround
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 09:39 PM
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7. We've lost so many good teachers due to early retirement.
No one wants to put up with this crap... having your school declared a "turnaround" and then having to share space with a charter only to have the building completely turned over to the charter while your public school is closed and the kids are bussed elsewhere.

I can't see anyone wanting to become a teacher with Chicago Public Schools in the current environment. We don't even have stable, qualified leadership.

Who is going to stand up for teachers? It seems as though our parents and students are all we have, other than each other.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:02 PM
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9. No one is going to stand up for us. Not one single Democrat. None.
We sink or swim on our own.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:06 PM
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10. Raytheon: Public or Private?
Harvard: Public or Private?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 05:24 PM
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38. I don't get it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 09:02 PM
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41. Neither did I.
But I hated to ask and seem stupid. :)
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 10:19 PM
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13. Betcha I can tell you what the new mayor will support. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 03:22 PM
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33. Yes, I see he won.
I think the news came out right after I posted this.

I have so much contempt for what Rahm has done to the liberal wing of the party. Now maybe he will tell people which 35 schools will be closed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:24 PM
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20. More of the school's argument that they are private...going in circles
trying to keep teachers from being union.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-charterschool-pri,0,6941316.story

"The school has appealed a decision by the regional director of the National Labor Relations Board, who said it must allow its workers to unionize. The full board is expected to rule soon.

Academy attorney James Powers has argued public funding alone is not the mark of a public institution. A more important factor, he said, is that charter schools are established by private citizens and government has little, if any, sway over their operation.

Charter schools have relative autonomy when it comes to decision-making but rely heavily on public funding. Proponents say having more flexibility with policy, resources and the hiring and firing of teachers has made them more effective in educating students. Some argue the school's perceived success has come from keeping unions at bay, although eight of Chicago's 38 charter schools have unionized teachers that have contract agreements."


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:15 AM
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22. More from Seattle today. It's amazing what they are claiming.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-regional/illlinois/article_16afd608-3f63-51ad-a448-94b8537d938b.html

"CHICAGO • A Chicago charter school that received millions of dollars in public money is now arguing it is a private institution that does not have to follow an Illinois law giving public school workers the right to unionize.

Chicago Math and Science Academy has received $23 million in public funds since opening in 2004, and more than 80 percent of the school's annual budget comes from the Chicago Public Schools, records show. The rest of its funding comes from state and federal grants and private fundraising.

...The school's attorney has argued public funding alone is not the mark of a public institution. A more important factor, he said, is that charter schools are established by private citizens and government has little, if any, sway over their operation."

Good grief, how many arguments have we have here...those claiming that charters are public schools!! So this kind of take the wind out of the sail of that argument.

They just can't make stuff up as they go along!

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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:48 AM
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23. The battle is lost in Chicago. Four years from now public education there will be gutted.
With such low electoral turnout, it seems that the people have given up.

There will only be change for the better when citizens literally start knocking on the doors and dragging elected officials and their wealthy masters out of bed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 05:14 PM
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35. I think you may be right.
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MaeScott Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 07:05 AM
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24. Trying to have it both ways...
This is just despicable. Public funds, public school. Period.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:09 PM
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31. I agree 100%.
It is despicable.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 07:29 AM
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25. Recommended. nt
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 07:47 AM
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26. K&R
Spreading the information and hoping people get behind teachers instead of joining the bashing bandwagon is pretty much all we've got these days.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 08:55 AM
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27. duncan started this and rahm will finish it....
racism and class warfare... that`s been chicago since it was founded and it never has changed.

the well connected will bribe their way into these schools and the rest will and other try to do their best with what they have. it really is the time for the parents and the students to take back their schools.

bill ayers and others are right...the schools belong to the people
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:28 PM
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30. I am afraid you may be right.
Rahm is depending on having mayoral control to "fix" education. It is sad.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 09:49 AM
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28. great info as always!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 09:50 AM
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29. Sad K&R. //nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:22 PM
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34. I am waiting for the "charters are public" supporters to speak up about this.
After all this school is betraying what charters have tried to say about themselves for years. :shrug:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 05:25 PM
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39. That petard will be doing some heavy lifting. ;-)
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:19 AM
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44. *crickets*
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 05:21 PM
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36. In the immortal words of "Deep Throat" (ca. 1973): FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 05:21 PM by WinkyDink
Anybody who thinks Rahm just wanted to be the best darn mayonr of Chicago, a man for all seasons and people, is dreamin'.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 06:11 PM
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40. Indeed.
This so-called "reform" movement is not about students. It is about turning public education over to big money.

And the "charter" schools are either private or they are not...and they should be regulated if they get tax money.

It's been a painful and ridiculous ploy to privatize.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 04:36 AM
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45. Blocking or breaking unions through privatizing and other
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 04:36 AM by midnight
schemes is on the move.... I could not figure why they have been pushing privatizing.... now it clicks... Thanks...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:21 PM
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48. Yep, that's why. First they had to discredit teachers and unions...
and the rest is easy.
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