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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:08 PM
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Is the Republican push to destroy unions, pensions, SS, Medicare & the middle class overreach?
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 11:29 PM by Faryn Balyncd



...will they win?


...or have they woken a sleeping giant?















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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:09 PM
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1. Ask yourself..
who is making a strong stand for any of the above. If the answer is no one...then you have your answer. :(
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:14 PM
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3. The answer so far, at least as far as top-down solutions go, has certainly been depressing...


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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:48 AM
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17. these are moments that define presidents. Obama has failed and mr
I grew up poor in scranton biden has too. That doesn't mean WE have to. Fuck them. We are our own salvation.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:09 PM
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2. We'll see............
But obviously some of us won't go down without a fight.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:16 PM
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4. It must not be. The Democrats aren't fighting back yet
Apparently everything's fine
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:45 PM
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10. "The Democrats" aren't going to be fighting back...
...but it looks like "the people" just might be ready to fight back.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:51 PM
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13. Eventually they are going to have to choose sides...
Ed Shultz is talking about the National Guard. I fit comes to that, if it comes to them taking what is rightfully ours by force the shit will hit the fan. This isn't the 60's, the world is watching us as much as we are watching them. Thousands of people with cell phones and cameras, there will never be a "grassy knoll" again. Whatever they do the whole world will see it.
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grilled onions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:18 PM
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5. People Have Been Pushed
and when they get pushed against the wall they will either cave in,give up and accept their dismal fate or they will fight. What have they got to lose? As it is everything they want or have is on the block--pensions,jobs,raises,benefits,healthcare,S.S., Medicare,Medicaid,public schools,their homes,their futures. It is time to stop the giant,that corporate giant that has consumed so much of our jobs,lifestyle,security already and the party that is their spokesperson who is trying to make or change every rule,every law into their favor.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:19 PM
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6. Only if they lose
This is the existential battle for the middle class. We fuck this up, better get used to less and less and less, because we'll be done as a nation until the next Middle East-style uprising. And that could take a generation or longer. Tell your kids, "Sorry."
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:21 PM
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7. Agreed....if we lose this...it's all over but our burial...and that won't be far behind.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:23 PM
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8. You would think it would be, but who the fuck knows at this point.
The population has been beaten down and hit with so much propaganda for so long I can no longer predict.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:42 PM
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9. The partisan (5-4) republican US Supreme Court gave the fucking republicans the power...
Edited on Tue Feb-22-11 11:53 PM by LaPera
Corporations & billionaires can now massively outspend the democrats, getting republicans elected in masses to do the dirty work for the rich and their corporations thus being able to destroy the republican ideology and corporations biggest opposition - the workers ONLY united democratic voice...Unions!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:45 PM
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11. overreach? - no, their flat out idiots allowed to roam free without a leash!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:48 PM
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12. Full court press... they KNOW they won't get everything they want, but they know the DEMS
will compromise, or give-in on some of it which is a WIN for them.

Meanwhile, their base stays happy because it appears they are pushing for everything they voted for... which is ironically true.

A compromise strategy DOES NOT WORK against a full-court political press.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:57 PM
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14. IDK
I just know it doesn't seem like coherent plan to create jobs. I always wonder when the Republican voter is going to get it that no matter what they say, they are never going to get around to legislating things that are actually to the benefit of the Republican voter. Even odder is the independent voter that seem to keep turning to these people even though ever turn through they get worse and worse and more and more obvious their main objective is targeting the middle class, not helping it? The longer these people don't get it the longer they win.

On the other hand yes the large liberal base in this country that voted in the 2008 congress and Obama seems pissed. Not just in one area or one state. There is a large under current of liberals that are angry and they seem to be finally on the streets again. Oddly a few thousand teaparty protesters was a national movement. What's tens of thousands then?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:59 PM
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15. It all sounds good to the slack wits that vote republican.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:03 AM
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16. This is the second act of the play GW Bush began.
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 12:04 AM by Marr
Drop taxes, drive up spending on wars, then use the resulting economic problems as an excuse to cut all those social programs you hate, attack unions, etc. The Democrats have happily played along with the entire thing, but thankfully, a lot of people seem to have had enough.

I don't know who's going to win, but I certainly hope it's the middle class for once.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 10:56 AM
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18. Put this in their face ---


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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:02 PM
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20. great quote/graphic
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 11:08 AM
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19. It is to early to know for sure
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 11:09 AM by Motown_Johnny
I would hope that in the long term people will realize that these policies are doing far more harm than they could ever do good.

It will take some liberal to stand up and denounce the entire approach that conservatives have and make that argument stick. The simple fact is that supply side economics has failed and the only solutions being attempted to fix the problems it has caused is more supply side economics.

Unless and until we reverse that entire approach to our economy we are screwed.
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